[project] Sarty Evo II - Phase 2 Of Project Sarty

[welshpug 1,626]

I'd imagine the change in how the lower arm attaches to the hub and the height of the pivot compared to the inner wishbone pivot and the altered angle of the wishbone, as well as the inner rack pivot necessitated a change ?

[Sandy 189]

The steering arm and lower arm move through different arcs, combined with the changing strut angle to produce what usually becomes a sort of S-shaped movement through the travel, which changes again on lock!

[DrSarty 90 1 Cars]

It's a true custom job. There's even extra work I didn't know about to the chassis.

 

The steering and suspension is assembled and parts tacked and then it's all tested with a trolley jack, pointers and guages; then if he's not happy he changes and repeats until coolio.

 

Should be good, especially on the R888s.

 

Thanks for the comments. I can't wait to drive this thing, because the engine's a known, bedded in quantity, so it can get the beans from the get go.

[Kroged 0]

Is this the car you plan to take on the scandinavian trip?

[rubyna 4 1 Cars]

Is this the car you plan to take on the scandinavian trip?

 

Does a Bear poop in the woods!!!

[kyepan 291]

The steering arm and lower arm move through different arcs, combined with the changing strut angle to produce what usually becomes a sort of S-shaped movement through the travel, which changes again on lock!

I had not thought about on lock! but that is probably the most important time though!

 

my head can't quite get round how you would measure toe in or out when you have steering lock on. Do you mark the wheel at a particular position then take comparison readings with different positions.

 

* goes off to find out about measuring bump steer when lock is applied

 

J

[Sandy 189]

That would be telling!

[Kroged 0]

Does a Bear poop in the woods!!!

 

I usually go with my own version of that saying: Does the Pope poop in the woods

 

Looking forward to see this on Sturup in may then!

[EdCherry 34 1 Cars]

You just need a datum to measure bump steer from, even on lock.

 

Turntables is a good way if you got them. Geometry setup and modification is a real art, it isn't just bash together! Admire the work done by colin here, looking good.

[kyepan 291]

That would be telling!

[kyepan 291]

307 Hdi 283mm x 26 brake disc-----6.9 kgs, i wonder how much lighter the xsara ones are?

 

found the answer to this at lunch on the parts weight thread, 4.2kgs.. that's a hellovalotoweight..

 

does anyone have the part number for these? i would assume they are the 22mm rather than 26mm ones?

 

 

apologies for the thread hijack rich, but you're onto something here!

J

Edited February 12, 2010 by kyepan

[welshpug 1,626]

Xsara VTS/306 gti6;

 

MDC814 Brake Disc

 

Diameter [mm] 283

Brake Disc Thickness [mm] 22

Minimum Thickness [mm] 20

Height [mm] 27

 

Weight [kg] 5,95

 

 

VERY late xsara, 2002 on;

 

MDC1492 Brake Disc

 

Diameter [mm] 283

Brake Disc Thickness [mm] 26,0

Minimum Thickness [mm] 24

Height [mm] 34

Weight [kg] 6,74

 

cross references to many Berlingo, C4, C5, Xsara picasso, 206, 207, 307, 308, 3008, 5008, Partner.

 

 

not a clue which discs you found Kyepan !

 

the only Xsara disc that is that light is the 247 x 20.5mm base model disc at 4.15kg, which is the same part as a standard 1.9 205 disc.

Edited February 12, 2010 by welshpug

[DrSarty 90 1 Cars]

found the answer to this at lunch on the parts weight thread, 4.2kgs.. that's a hellovalotoweight..

 

does anyone have the part number for these? i would assume they are the 22mm rather than 26mm ones?

 

 

apologies for the thread hijack rich, but you're onto something here!

J

 

No dramas at all sir. I can confirm that they are indeed 22mm thick and that the weight difference is considerable.

 

I can't confirm part number though, although I will ask Colin to confirm exactly what he ordered, as they came from a motor factors with a fat bird delivery driver.

 

*Rubs thighs*

 

P.S. Justin> I am not in the slightest bit mad.

[welshpug 1,626]

xsara 283 x 22mm is the one above, same as a gti6 disc

[Galifrey 1]

Looking good Rich!

[dcc 855]

NEED MOAR CAR PAWN!

[Kroged 0]

How's things going with this? long time since update

 

Will we see you and the car at sturup 30th may?

[DrSarty 90 1 Cars]

How's things going with this? long time since update

 

Will we see you and the car at sturup 30th may?

 

I'm still in Afghanistan dude; I'm not home until 16th April.

 

I am personally 100% committed to make it to Sturup though, even if that's on my own.

[Kroged 0]

I'm still in Afghanistan dude; I'm not home until 16th April.

 

I am personally 100% committed to make it to Sturup though, even if that's on my own.

 

Just checking in on you in case you somehow forgott to make any updates

[DrSarty 90 1 Cars]

 

 

It's coming.

[Daviewonder 533 3 Cars]

Are you going to do the lines and 16v writing black?

[DrSarty 90 1 Cars]

Are you going to do the lines and 16v writing black?

 

White or silver I think.

 

£20 for all this including cleaning, blasting (outside faces only) and bright red powder coat. They are redder than they look..at least so my dad says.

 

It seems these cam end caps are rocking horse poo.

 

EDIT: I've just realised the ULTIMATE cam cover, would be one that says '16v FTW'. (I believe that would be 'scene'.)

Edited April 9, 2010 by DrSarty

[DrSarty 90 1 Cars]

More pics and less waffle from now on.

 

Rear brake caliper refurbing.

 

Before:

 

 

After:

 

 

And yes, I'm going to commit the cardinal sin, and paint them red.

 

For the floor, rear inner quarter panels and inner door skins, I'm going for liquid sound-proofing products called 'Spectrum' and 'Sludge', from a company called 'Second Skin'. I've negotiated a special introductory price which I should be able to extend to all forum members as a group buy shortly.

 

Pictures of that being added/painted in shortly.

 

ITBs will be fitted with a heat barrier gasket too (using a unique material) and then it'll start to look sexy.

 

Rich

Edited April 13, 2010 by DrSarty

[madaxgt 0]

Interesting read, out of interest will you be running 306/xsara length driveshafts now that you are running the 306 'bones?? And any pics of the modified 205 subframe where the 306 wishbones bolt or is that top secret colin stuff?

[pronta 1]

Rich.....

 

Just thought I'd read your build thread and found my handy work.

 

Sid and I will be painting the calipers today, I didn't like the red much, so I've got some nice bright yellow here instead, or highline purple maybe.