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[Misc_Work] Peugeot 205 Rallye, Engine Done...now Suspension!

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Wallby

The arches are bonded on with tiger seal or something similar.

 

The rear beam is set to around 320mm bewtween the damper centres and matches quite nicely with the front. Not sure how this relates to ride height, but the front is on eibach lowering springs (approx 30mm). I usually run 185/55/14 tyres, any taller sidewall and rubbing may become an issue.

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Krash67

Great Blog and car, keep it going, your definitely helping me out in  my quest.

On the point of Camber, this is key, learnt that from pushing +3deg at the front on the MK3 clio's. So for Pug's its a GTI subframe, 309 wishbones & shafts. What camber are you getting with this? 

 

 

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Wallby
31 minutes ago, Krash67 said:

Great Blog and car, keep it going, your definitely helping me out in  my quest.

On the point of Camber, this is key, learnt that from pushing +3deg at the front on the MK3 clio's. So for Pug's its a GTI subframe, 309 wishbones & shafts. What camber are you getting with this? 

 

 

Thanks!

 

I think it's -1deg camber, which is enough for a car that still gets used on the road quite a lot. For any more than that you would need adjustable bottom arms and adjustable top mounts, but they only work with the smaller diameter of coilovers, something which I may do in the future!

 

Is yours the red xs? I'm surprised you were disappointed with the drive as it's not too different to mine. Not the fastest but so much fun!

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Krash67
23 minutes ago, Wallby said:

Thanks!

 

I think it's -1deg camber, which is enough for a car that still gets used on the road quite a lot. For any more than that you would need adjustable bottom arms and adjustable top mounts, but they only work with the smaller diameter of coilovers, something which I may do in the future!

 

Is yours the red xs? I'm surprised you were disappointed with the drive as it's not too different to mine. Not the fastest but so much fun!

Yep, Well It didn't help for the short drive in the dark and rain. I havent had much time to take it out again, I don't think it had been taken out for a while so it could of done with a good throat clearing drive. As well I drive a  335d xdrive as my daily!

But I have realised that these have a better grin factor and such will get used to it.

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Wallby

Took the car out around Pembrey a few weeks ago for a long overdue trackday. Lots of nice cars there including a ph1 309 gti!

 

The car performed great all day and pretty much wore out the outside edge on a set of A048's, even more camber may be needed. Must have had fun as I booked another day at Castle Combe as soon as I got home!

 

28378584498_f92c5da3d1_z.jpgEN9I3795 (1) by Opentrack Track Days, on Flickr

 

27381310127_ffa313eb2e_z.jpgEN9I4037 by Opentrack Track Days, on Flickr

 

28378550558_a99b8fb534_z.jpgEN9I3146 by Opentrack Track Days, on Flickr

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trogboy

Nice.  Missing the O/S grille in the valance though - lost or intentionally removed?

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Wallby
16 minutes ago, trogboy said:

Nice.  Missing the O/S grille in the valance though - lost or intentionally removed?

Good spot! Intentionally removed invade of losing it! Knocked it loose on an apex cone which was knocked across the track! Ordered some new clips to sort it 

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Wallby

You wait ages for a trackday and then 2 come along at once! Castle Combe this time and another brilliant day. Another 2 205's and a 309 there this time so was good to have a chat with them about the cars.

 

One thing I have noticed while looking through the photos is that I am lifting the front inside wheel off the ground on the last corner. Im not sure if this is down to any bumps there or just the way the car is setup. Any ideas if it is worth making changes to sort this/what difference will it make? The car feels quite balanced.

27712126597_38334626d0_z.jpgEN9I1184 by Opentrack Track Days, on Flickr

 

The photographer was also well placed when I had a little spin at the end of the day!

41679148965_a4e900f06a_z.jpgEN9I2283 by Opentrack Track Days, on Flickr

 

And another of my favourites from the day.

41857793944_6cefa0290b_z.jpgEN9I9884 by Opentrack Track Days, on Flickr

 

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Tom Fenton

In the nicest possible way, if you are continuing to do trackdays, and pushing quite hard by the looks, invest in a roll cage.

 

Suspension wise, I'd say you are at the limit of what you've got fitted to the car. The way forward is probably along the lines of coilovers, 275/300lb springs, 22/23mm rear torsion bars, bigger rear anti roll bar etc. All of which starts to get expensive, AND, makes the car increasingly unpleasant on the road.

So, you need to decide what you want from it really, and if you want to plough a lot of money into the job. Or just enjoy it as it is.

As an easy step you could try a bigger rear anti roll bar, 24mm bar from a 306 GTI6 can be modified to fit the 205 beam.

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welshpug

what rear suspension setuo do you have again?

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Wallby

Tom - I think your right. I have been staying away from the idea of a track focused setup of stiff suspension/rollcage due to enjoying driving it on the road, but that is becoming less frequent and I'm just getting more frustrated by the current setup on track. I've been toying with the idea of selling it for a while, this could then fund an out and out track car, but I'm affraid of regretting that decision! I don't think I could put a cage and coilovers on this car as its probably woth more as a road car. There could be a for sale sign on it at Pugfest!

 

Mei - Standard 1600 gti beam with Bilstein challenge dampers.

 

 

 

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Tom Fenton
On ‎6‎/‎7‎/‎2018 at 9:54 AM, Wallby said:

Tom - I think your right.

I'm always right :D

 

But being serious, I've been there and done it, a car that works properly on track is s*ite on the road and vice versa, it just depends how much you can put up with either way. Personally it annoys the life out of me on a track when I have to drive around the shortcomings of the car, be it brakes or suspension or fuel surge or whatever.

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welshpug

I'd go bigger rear roll bar or torsion bars, cage will help tie it all in together too but take it away from a road car

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