306 V6 Will Not Bleed!

[dave205 19]

Ive plbed it up the same as in a thread i saw on here, not sure who's car it is but cant find it now. They've painted there thermostat yellow

[Slo 283 1 Cars]

This could be your problem, im not familiar with the v6 lump but usually only one matrix pipe should go to the thermostat the other should return to the metal water pipe at the back!

[dave205 19]

Ive plbed it up the same as in a thread i saw on here, not sure who's car it is but cant find it now. They've painted there thermostat housing yellow if any one knows that project thread?

[Slo 283 1 Cars]

PIcture will tell a thousand words here mate.

[dave205 19]

Yeah i''ll take some when im home

[welshpug 1,622]

get an XU/XUD tank on there, plumb up the bleed point as per normal 205 and blank off the top left hand outlet, had no issues bleeding these up once we figured out the routing properly.

[Slo 283 1 Cars]

Found this one with something painted yellow?

 

http://forum.205gtidrivers.com/index.php?showtopic=134414&p=1259288

 

Ring any bells?

[dave205 19]

Yeah thats the pic mate. The short grey one on my engine goes to the header tank. The other 2 outlets go to the matrix.

[dave205 19]

Just the car up for 16 mins, opened all the bleeds filled it with water until i had water at each point, then closed them one by one. Let it run, steam pushing up into the header tank causing massive amount of steam hammer! Header tank emptied itself in no time.

 

Before all this saga, i pulled the matrix hoses off and blew through them, the matrix is clear. Now ive found the heater matrix bleed, the heaters did get slightly warm today.

 

I removed and tested the stat 3 times yesterday.

 

So i know so far, thermostat works, matrix is good, air is bleeding out with engine stopped and running. But its still not right, the engine was running 100 percent in the donor car so cant see what the issue is.

 

Please help im at my wits end with this f**king car!!

[dave205 19]

This could be your problem, im not familiar with the v6 lump but usually only one matrix pipe should go to the thermostat the other should return to the metal water pipe at the back!

So you have a pipe going directly from the engine to the heater matrix?

 

But originally the pipe directly from the engine went to the header tank, so its connected the same?! :/

[Paul_13 212 1 Cars]

What's the history of the engine?

Blown head gasket (s)?

Worth doing a compression test?

[Tom Fenton 1,525]

Get a GTI header tank with the bleed points at the top and then plumb the small bore returns in, then it will bleed itself. Somehow you are getting an air lock. Has the thermostat got a small hole in one side to allow water/air to bleed past as you fill it up? If not drill a 4mm hole in the rim then try again.

[dave205 19]

What's the history of the engine?

Blown head gasket (s)?

Worth doing a compression test?

Engine had service history, and showed no signs of head gasket failure upon removal. Yeah be worth doing i guess, but i cant help but thing ive caused the problem as it was fine before :/

[dave205 19]

Get a GTI header tank with the bleed points at the top and then plumb the small bore returns in, then it will bleed itself. Somehow you are getting an air lock. Has the thermostat got a small hole in one side to allow water/air to bleed past as you fill it up? If not drill a 4mm hole in the rim then try again.

Theres no where to plum the small bore returns to and the thermostat ive had out but didnt notice any holes, it seals on the rim of it. I did think of cutting the center out completely?

 

I dont fully understand how the system is piped/ works frustratingly

[Slo 283 1 Cars]

I cant seem to find any layout of this engine anywhere except service box but the different parts are split up did you take any photos oh and is this an es9j4 engine?

[dave205 19]

Yeah its an es9j4 engine, i'll go and load the computer up so i can upload pics.

[Slo 283 1 Cars]

Is this any help?

 

[jackherer 543]

2.9 ES9J4STurbo Injection (16v)

 

 

2.67 valves/cyl, must work well with the turbo

[dave205 19]

 

2.67 valves/cyl, must work well with the turbo

This is the 3 litre v6 mate not the tirbo engine

[jackherer 543]

Yes, with 24 Valves. Which was why I thought it was odd it said it was a 16v turbo despite having the right engine code.

[dave205 19]

Cheers slo the pic is good, hoses 9962 and 9952 are connected as shown to the rad. Hose 9951 is connected to the bottom of the header as shown aswell. The little small bottle thats shown is gone out of the systen

[Slo 283 1 Cars]

 

2.67 valves/cyl, must work well with the turbo

 

Lmao oh yeah didn't notice that bloody argentinians for ya (its from an argentinian site). jesus imagine ordering a part for a v6 and them sending you one for a 16v lol

[jackherer 543]

Ah OK, I knew 'inyeccion' was Spanish but that doesn't narrow it down much.

[jackherer 543]

dave205; It might be a good idea to get a tester to see if there is any combustion gas in your coolant, you can get a basic one for about £30.

 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/151046876264

[Slo 283 1 Cars]

Some pics of a v6 HERE turbo and non turbo should help a lot those Dave.

 

When you start it up from cold does water blow out of the bottle by any chance? Even if you put the palm of your hand over it?

Edited September 26, 2013 by Slo