Keep The Mi16 Or Go 2.o Ltr Turbo.

[gaz832 7 1 Cars]

im in 2 minds what to do love to have a turbo engine in the pug but i also like the rev happy 16v noise. really unsure what to do. been told the turbo engine is more reliable as the mi is getting on a bit now. spoke to 2 companys and 1 says turbo and another says keep the mi16 aggghh its doing my head in.

[Liquid_106 97 1 Cars]

T16?

[Slo 283 1 Cars]

Can't speak for an mi16 cos i've never driven/been in one but i've gone the bog standard 8v turbo route and there's no looking back very happy with it

[S@m 156]

NA all the way. I found the 8v turbo to be a bit boring and characterless in comparison to the mi16, but regardless either conversion is only as reliable as you make it.....but i will say that an 8v turbo conversion is a fair bit more work than a mi16/gti6.

 

Why not consider a gti6 aswell?

[gaz832 7 1 Cars]

should have said the car already has the mi16 in it very quick . but need boost now a think. SLO u had any problems with the turbo engine for reliabiltiy. ?

[dcc 855]

erm unless you're going for a special 2 ltr turbo 8v iron block engine, just stick with the mi16. The 8v will be slugish and only give a perception of being fast

 

Alternatively, fit proper pistons to the mi and turbo that.

[gaz832 7 1 Cars]

the engine i have is from the 406 sri. god damn thats a heavy engine. it has a turbo technics rebuilt turbo. standard size a think. low miles engine. 80.000 miles . might give it a shot if a dont like it al pull it back out and stick the mi back in.

[Simes 248 2 Cars]

A set of bodies and cams livens the mi16 up

[Daviewonder 533 3 Cars]

I have a 2.0 turbo and my mate had an Mi16. Whack the boost on the turbo up to 1 bar and the Mi isn't even in the same league.

 

A lot of people slate the 2.0 turbo but owning one I can't work out why. Maybe they had a bad engine or didn't do the conversion properly? Where else are you gonna get that sort of bang for buck?

[Miles 331 1 Cars]

Another hater for the 8v turbo, unless you fit a larger turbo it has nothing on the original TT conversion and has a powerband of a HDi

[pug_ham 242 3 Cars]

Stick with the Mi imo, more power as standard & a lighter lump so keeps more of the original 205 GTI feeling.

 

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[Slo 283 1 Cars]

Only reliability issues i've had in the past ten years of owning and running this engine has been water leaks from rotten water outlets and flat batteries caused by running an amp and sub killing the alternator, other than that its never failed to start ever. If what folks above are saying is true about the xu10j2te being slow then the mi16 must go as fast as the starship enterprise lol. To put it into a little perspective, i took a workmate to buy a 172 clio sport and on the way back we opened em up and power/acceleration was about identical.

Boost is phenominal I love it. My intercooler setup is in my thread in my signature.

[Daviewonder 533 3 Cars]

Stick with the Mi imo, more power as standard & a lighter lump so keeps more of the original 205 GTI feeling.

 

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This is true but if you fancied more power in the future the Mi16 would cost hundreds whereas the 2.0 turbo requires the turn of a knob.

[Slo 283 1 Cars]

Do you mean the actuator arm locknut? I've never altered mine.

Edited December 19, 2013 by Slo

[gaz832 7 1 Cars]

was going to fit the engine myself . its when it comes to the wiring i will be baffled. my mate has a escort rs turbo and the dump valve noise and kick back from that is amazing. it gave me the boost addiction lol

Edited December 19, 2013 by gaz832

[Slo 283 1 Cars]

The boost is fantastic thats what its all about but while the dump valve sounds great when your giving it the tits i find it gets annoying around town and especially in stood traffic where every time you move 3 car lengths it hisses and everyone around you instantly glares at you like youve got a 1 litre hair drier with a chavvy fake dump valve.

[RP1983 4]

Having owned both back to back in standard form engine wise I stuck with the mi. They are 2 totally different types of power, the turbo gives great bottom end torque but as miles has commented feels a bit like driving a pokey diesel. The mi I found completely the opposite, it felt quite subdued bottom end but get it revving and no doubt it would of left the turbo.

 

Not looking to argue anyones point but the Clio 172 comparison above says it all if out and out the turbo was level with it as my mi could leave them without much trouble.

 

If you like that turbo feeling though I'd say go for it, there's no doubt you can make them very quick playing about with them even if your not happy with it in standard form.

[welshpug 1,627]

Given the MI16 is already in there it would be far cheaper to drop in a set of mild cams and some bodies, the MI has a fair bit of space for cams really.

[TooMany2cvs 65]

Another hater for the 8v turbo, unless you fit a larger turbo it has nothing on the original TT conversion and has a powerband of a HDi

Having spent seven years with a pair of XMs with the TurboCT engine (one auto, one manual), I can only say that if yours had a narrow, peaky power band, then whoever installed it had cocked it up royally. They called it "TurboCT" because of the "Constant Torque" - big fat flat torque curve with the peak totally flat for about 2,500 rpm, due to the way the boost was managed by the ECU, with a much higher compression than the peak boost would normally allow.

 

Sure, to get the best out of it, it'd want a very different driving style to a 16v, sure. If you drove it on revs, it would feel flat. Would I put it in a 205? Not necessarily. But is it a bad engine? No way. Absolute corker.

[gaz832 7 1 Cars]

Decided tp stick with the mi16 for now. Stripped the engine loom out as some wires where coroded , new bits of wire new tape and loom protection. It looks like new, wouldn't mind aset of carbs for it. Bike carbs or webbers ?

[welshpug 1,627]

Jenveys.

[Steve 15 1 Cars]

Just completed the XM 2.0 turbo conversion, can highly recommend to use this engine. The torque is astounding, and with the addition of a bleed valve and boost gauge it is a very fast pug.

The only sticking point i have is i need a gearbox with a longer gear for motorway work, for two reasons.

 

1. ive got a mi 16 box which was fine because my mi 16 when it was fitted loved revving up to 8300,

but my turbo peaks at about 5700.

 

2. i'm lucky enough to be going nurburgring again this easter and don't fancy being limited to about 110 on the track.

Edited January 4, 2014 by Steve

[TooMany2cvs 65]

Just completed the XM 2.0 turbo conversion, can highly recommend to use this engine. The torque is astounding, and with the addition of a bleed valve and boost gauge it is a very fast pug.

Replacing the ECU-controlled boost management with a manual boost controller sort of goes against the whole point of the engine, tbh. It's a relatively high compression for a turbocharged engine - the sort of compression which'd normally mean "low-blow" LPT boost levels - yet the peak boost is up to normal levels. That's only made possible without having see-through pistons by keeping the boost in check a bit, held back by knock-sensing feeding in to the boost control.

[Daviewonder 533 3 Cars]

tbh. It's a relatively high compression for a turbocharged engine

 

No it isn't.

[jackherer 543]

8.0:1 aren't they?

 

I ran 1 bar boost using a bleed valve in an XM estate for a long time with no problems, the rest of the car fell apart in the end, I've still got the engine.