Bilstein Grp N/a/challenge

[Batfink 201]

Well good news is i have about 6 sets in stock of the Group A ones!

[matt.f 16]

Peter lloyds are apparantly 1400 challenge ones and not the 1038's!

[allanallen 528 2 Cars]

Peter lloyds are apparantly 1400 challenge ones and not the 1038's!

 

Here you go mucker

http://www.peterlloydrallying.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=22&products_id=414

[matt.f 16]

Here you go mucker

http://www.peterlloydrallying.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=22&products_id=414

Yeah apparantly you get the 1400 ones,so I've read on BRF

[allanallen 528 2 Cars]

Yeah apparantly you get the 1400 ones,so I've read on BRF

 

Well that's s*it!! He lists em as b46-1038?! He's perhaps as confused as me to what's what

[matt.f 16]

Yep,Ill check mine tomorrow.Pretty sure there 1038's.

I bought front and rear 2nd hand(not been used on car though)and rang Bilstein Uk up to check that what was advertised was deffinatly the proper GP/N motorsport shocks,and they were.

Maybe they also do GP/A version which can only be different rebound rates etc.Think they charge £80+vat to recon or change rates

[allanallen 528 2 Cars]

Yeah they're quite dear to re-con,I remember getting a quote to have a pair of the old style gravel spec ones done. I ended up replacing them with something else!

 

I've possibly found some 306 gravel rears (500/275) now, close enough to the original Tarmac spec (or GRPAs nowadays?!?) for me oh yeah, they're yellow aswell

[matt.f 16]

Ha,Proflex now moved behind my bosses works hmmmm.may need a lotto win lol

[edbar 6]

If they are for the 309 allan, skip browns recommended the 306 tars for the back on mine as the 309 shocks are now obsolete.

[Miles 331 1 Cars]

Just got this back from Bilstein on the current numbers

 

 

24-010382- 380/240

24-023139- 350/200

 

And can be re-valved to any suitable spec at extra cost

[allanallen 528 2 Cars]

Just got this back from Bilstein on the current numbers

 

 

24-010382- 380/240

24-023139- 350/200

 

And can be re-valved to any suitable spec at extra cost

 

Well that confuses things even more!!

 

Batfink gets the 2319s as 460/250 and it's generally regarded that the 1038s are 350/200.

 

I tried identifying a pair of billy rears with Bilstein uk last week, I quoted the part no that's printed on a sticker on the main body..... They hadn't got a clue what it was?!!

[welshpug 1,626]

B46-2319 is a different part number to 24-023139...

[allanallen 528 2 Cars]

B46-2319 is a different part number to 24-023139...

Sorry that's the one I meant 023139, it's the one batfink lists as group A on his website.

[welshpug 1,626]

ahh I see

 

Bilstein Group A - 24-023139 (B46-2313) +£ 110.04 (+£ 132.05 Incl. Tax)

 

Bilstein Group N tarmac rear left damper (challenge spec) Bilstein Group N - 24-010382 (B46-1038) +£ 93.62 (+£ 112.34 Incl. Tax)

[allanallen 528 2 Cars]

ahh I see

You've got it.

 

I'm at the autosport show tommorow so I'll go and hassle mr Bilstein, see what he's got to say for himself

[oli-pug 6 2 Cars]

This is all looking very confusing!

 

To add even more complication i've spoken to bilstein uk about the shocks i bought from craig007 last week and they came back with this...

 

K4-BE5-60318T0 PEUGEOT 205 GRP.A RALLYE

 

0,39 m/s =

6.000 +/- 630 N

3.000 +/- 330 N

[allanallen 528 2 Cars]

This is all looking very confusing!

 

To add even more complication i've spoken to bilstein uk about the shocks i bought from craig007 last week and they came back with this...

 

K4-BE5-60318T0 PEUGEOT 205 GRP.A RALLYE

 

0,39 m/s =

6.000 +/- 630 N

3.000 +/- 330 N

 

 

Haha, I spoke to them about those aswell, they told me they were 306 tarmacs 600/300

[oli-pug 6 2 Cars]

Yeh craig told me that. Perhaps they're grp.a 205 and grp.n 306 tarmac?

 

Whatever, they're fookin stiff anyway!! Should be great out on circuit

[allanallen 528 2 Cars]

These are apparently the original Peugeot specs

 

205 grpN/challenge 350/200

205 Forest 360/250

205 tarmac 460/250

306 Forest 500/275

306 tarmac 600/300

[Miles 331 1 Cars]

'B' numbers are long gone now

[Henry 1.9GTi 36]

Ressurection!

 

Trying to get to the bottom of what I actually have on the rear now :/

 

B46-1038 is stamped on the side. The Bilstein cataloague lists these as 248/157 which is different again from everything I have read lol

 

Under the motorsport section of the catalogue there is nothing listed for 306 and the B46-2313 are shown as 350/200... screenshot attached below.. the shocks for the 106 are shown as stiffer 476/277. Will 106 dampers fit a 205?

 

edit: right most 3 columns are the rear dampers.

 

 

edit2: worth nopting they all have a note of 38 after the damping spec which relates to damping force @ 0.29 or 0.39m/s according to the catalogue. It just says 'or' not which one it actually is, unless I'm missing something? I believe older spec damping rates were @ 1m/s which is where some of the confusion could be coming from?

Edited August 20, 2015 by Henry 1.9GTi

[allanallen 528 2 Cars]

Well that confuses a confusing subject even more! Are you running 1038s with 25mm bars then Henry?

 

All I know from using them is the 2313s have more rebound damping over the 1038s, the 306 tarmacs have more again too, they're incredibly firm!

[Henry 1.9GTi 36]

yes Allan. I've had them a fair few years now before all the real development started. But I replaced a set of yellows, probably b6, with what I thought were the stiffest available. Tarmac spec bla bla. Was on 23mm at the time and 4post rig test at uni showed very good control. Now on 25 but didn't realise stiffer were available! Stupid me. Going to see if kev has any stock and whether 306 ones are available.

[Henry 1.9GTi 36]

Allan,

 

Don't suppose you know whether 106 rear dampers are a direct fit on the 205? The B46-1276 106 dampers are shown as alot stiffer according to the catalogue than the 205 equivalent.

 

Kam racing has them as well listed under "Peugeot 106 - Bilstein Group N Tarmac Dampers"

 

Even the gravel ones are alot stiffer according to the Bilstein catalogue. 460/250 as apposed to a minor increase for tarmac: 476/277. Hmmm this seems to be a bit of a mine field.

 

edit: I give up.... the online bilstein catalogue lists the 106 mtorosport dampers, the B46-1276 or part number 24-012768 as 290/180.... confused ahah

Edited August 21, 2015 by Henry 1.9GTi

[Batfink 201]

I can find out for definite the damping rates for all that are available. Will take a few days as I will need to make someone check the build spec documents.

I think the paper catalogue is a bit all over the place.

Edited August 21, 2015 by Batfink