205 Parts Manifold

[Moz_Goodwood 0]

hi all

 

would a 205 parts turbo manifold fit the turbo engine out of a 406?

 

and would i be able to then fit a better / bigger turbo than whats on the standard turbo engine?

 

does the 205 parts manifold help with clearance issues aswell?

 

cheers

 

paul

[Anthony 1,000]

The 205Parts turbo manifold is a similar design to the Turbo Technics one and will fit any 8v XU engine, including the 2.0 8v Turbo.

 

It has a standard flange on it so that you can fit any conventional turbo rather than limited to the non-standard fitment of the standard 2.0 8v Turbo manifold/turbo. Most people run T25/28 or GT25/28x series turbos from what I've seen.

 

I'm not sure which area you've currently got clearance issues with, but clearance with the manifold should be the same as on Turbo Technics cars.

[Moz_Goodwood 0]

nice one anthony just what im after

 

do you think it would be a worth while investment then?

 

ive heard alot of people saying that the standard turbo on the 2.0 8v engine isnt really upto the job especially when modifing the engine

 

i was hoping as youve just confirmed that the 205 parts manifold would allow different turbos to fit on

 

one more question if i did have the 205 parts manifold what turbo would you reccomend?

 

cheers

 

paul

[matty_gti 20]

My T25 turbo had hardly any room and I know some go for T28 but if going larger you will need a DP-Engineering style manifold to bring the turbo up near the cam cover. Only problem then would be clearence issues with the bonnet and MC.

[Moz_Goodwood 0]

im in the process of buying a 205 parts manifold, ive heard from the horses mouth (paul @ 205 parts), that you can run that manifold and a gt 28 turbo, because the manifold brings it more central into the engine bay, getting away from the master cylinder

 

is the gt 28 alot bigger than the gt 25 in external size?

[Henry Yorke 269 3 Cars]

GT28RS is a popular turbo to put on a TT, due to its cost, performance and power. Larger turbo is more lag but more power generally IIRC.

[whizzer71 0]

GT28RS fits straight on there perfectly,no clearance issues when using a Diesel servo,no more laggier than a T25 specially when used with aftermarket mappable injection systems although we did use std Pug Ecu and harness just with bigger injectors (saab redtops) to start with just to get it to Emerald (Dave Walker).

We had ours rr'd at Dave walkers before and after and if anything he said it was over fuelling just a tiny amount in the mid range with std ecu and redtops. (also has uprated fuel pump and adjustable fuel regulator)

He set it all up after we had swapped over to emerald and it made a very dissapointing 215 Bhp (.9 bar) and similar amount of torque in lbs ft,took it home and stripped it down about two weeks later to find the head was cracked across the central two cylinders,head gasket had started to split and the bores were worn egg shaped beyond belief !.

Have now got some forged psitons (Wossner 87mm) and another cylinder head,its all away at the machine shop being bored to accept new pistons and having the head done, new guides, 3 angle valve seats,cam shimmed and a re-face,getting the block decked also.

Once reassemble and run in along with some 440cc injectors we are hoping for around 250 Bhp and far more torque second time round,look out for a raging inferno in Norfolk if it doesnt make that kind of power .

Bit of a warning dont go for the cheap turbos off E-bay,our 1st one came from an established firm (with good feedback) and lasted 23 miles ,we then had to send it off somewhere to get it rebuilt with a new genuine Garret core and has been fine since,just a bit of a costly excersize having to go about it this way.

If you need any help or advice or just want to have a general chat about the 8V turbo unit and possible mods PM me and I'll answer as many questions as I can for you based on our experience so far

 

Edited January 11, 2009 by whizzer71

[Moz_Goodwood 0]

cheers whizzer, thats spot on mate

 

ill definately be picking your brains in the near future, the biggest thing im worried about (allthough i have very little mechanical knowledge / experience) is the wiring loom

 

however its all good experience and will no doubt be anything less than an adventure!!!

[whizzer71 0]

cheers whizzer, thats spot on mate

 

ill definately be picking your brains in the near future, the biggest thing im worried about (allthough i have very little mechanical knowledge / experience) is the wiring loom

 

however its all good experience and will no doubt be anything less than an adventure!!!

 

 

Thats the spirit,nothing ventured and all that,should be easier in a 309 too as theres more space at the front for the intercooler rad and oil cooler

 

[bales 1]

This will sound like me being a bit of an old man, but before you shell out lots of money on manifolds, turbo's, aftermarket ecu's and bigger injectors etc....

 

Have you actually tried a 205 running the standard engine but with upped boost? When I did my conversion I was going to go the way you wanted as I 'thought' I wanted 220bhp+ but just ran round with it standard for a while and them upped the boost.

 

I don't have an LSD in mine admittedly and it is fully stripped but in all honesty I don't think that I would want any more power anyway as mine is plenty quick for me as I keep destroying gearboxes and diffs and driving it in the wet is slightly useless unless your in 4th or 5th gear.

 

I know that a LSD would probably solve a lot of this but in real terms you could spend approx £1k on the conversion and all the bits e.g engine, exhaust, intercooler and all the bits etc etc whixh is what it cost me....and you can prob do it cheaper than that aswell. With boost at a bar it must be around the 190bhp+ mark and with enough torque...

 

Or you could spend £3k on all the bits you say (I know people will say you can do it cheaper but once you add all the little bits up and get it mapped etc...it really does add up very quickly! I know as I have worked it out a lot of times. You would get maybe 230ish bhp but does that extra power justify all the extra money when in reality a lot of it will be wheelspin in the lower gears unless you spend another £500 on a LSD....

 

Just my 2p anyway....

[whizzer71 0]

Trust me unless youve experienced it with a properly built gerabox (correct ratios etc) & an LSD then the difference is defo well worth the money !,Its all so very addictive the more power you get the more you want

 

Edited January 12, 2009 by whizzer71

[matty_gti 20]

Trust me unless youve experienced it with a properly built gerabox (correct ratios etc) & an LSD then the difference is defo well worth the money !

 

 

I think Ill be getting an LSD, as much fun as it is skidding of the lights in second Id rather have better traction

[bales 1]

I'm sure it is quite a bit faster, but I still think it is a lot of extra money for some extra straightline speed when its still a fwd car at the end of the day.

 

But its horses for courses really as it depends what you like, personally, I don't think all the extra cost and associated modifications justify the extra power as I don't think it adds much extra to the overall experience of the car.

 

I've done the turbo thing now and would happily sacrifice some power / torque for some decent throttle response and a n/a power curve!! oh and the noise of the some t/b's!! pops, bangs and whooshes are good but don't think its on the same level as a highly tuned n/a soundtrack :-)

 

Anyways its up to the OP I am just offering a slightly different perspective having been in exactly the same boat as him with wanting the most power straight away!!

[whizzer71 0]

I think Ill be getting an LSD, as much fun as it is skidding of the lights in second Id rather have better traction

 

 

No fun keep changing the sodding gearboxes cos the stupid std diffs explode !

 

[matty_gti 20]

No fun keep changing the sodding gearboxes cos the stupid std diffs explode !

 

 

luckily mine was ok while it was on the road

 

im in the process of buying a 205 parts manifold, ive heard from the horses mouth (paul @ 205 parts), that you can run that manifold and a gt 28 turbo, because the manifold brings it more central into the engine bay, getting away from the master cylinder

 

is the gt 28 alot bigger than the gt 25 in external size?

 

And I meant you would need a diff manifold if going bigger then T28

[Moz_Goodwood 0]

my turbo conversion has cost me nothing so far (by selling bits coming off my car and odds and sods lying around)

 

ive sorced a brand new 205 parts manifold for £140 delivered (which was technically free because i sold the old manifold and turbo for £150

 

now ive just got to find a decent turbo and get the engine remapped, which will probably come in around a grand but then ive still got things for sale so it could still turn out that it costs me nothing

 

the biggest cost will be when i get emerald management but then ive got a ford escort van that i no longer need

[danpug 1]

ive sorced a brand new 205 parts manifold for £140 delivered (which was technically free because i sold the old manifold and turbo for £150

 

 

I posted it this morning paul

[matty_gti 20]

the biggest cost will be when i get emerald management but then ive got a ford escort van that i no longer need

 

The things we do for our pug's

[Moz_Goodwood 0]

cheers dan, might be here tomorrow / wednesday

 

as for the van its surplus now anyway