Vauxhall Red Top Into 205 ?

[Hilgie 16 2 Cars]

And a vid of it as well:

[welshpug 1,622]

what does the Sigma bike computer on the dash do? not the speedo surely?

[Sandy 189]

I know not everybody thinks this, but turbo engines are so boring!

[Hilgie 16 2 Cars]

Why? Instant power, no need to rev your socks off, LOADS of torque etc etc.

[gsidave 3]

yes the red top xe is a good engine and very popular in the vauxhall guys engine swaps but surely putting it a pug 205 would upset the handling as its sits upright compaierd to the lean back off the xu just my thoughts

[Sandy 189]

Why? Instant power, no need to rev your socks off, LOADS of torque etc etc.

Boring noise. I'm an induction junkie. I don't see the point in having loads of torque if it's more than FWD can handle and I like the crescendo delivery of NA engines.

 

Quick, yes. Fun? Hmmm. I don't get it sorry.

[Hilgie 16 2 Cars]

Why? The TU sits upright as well and the 205 Rallye has excellent handling!

[Sandy 189]

The TU24 is very much lighter than the 20XE though.

[welshpug 1,622]

brummmmmmmmmwshhhhhooooooooooooooPTSSSSSSHHHHH!

[eeyore 0]

anyone whos a fan of turbo cars should try useing one in competition and see what all that lag does to your times, then theres the uncontrolable wheelspin, not being able to heel toe on the down changes because the whole lumbering mess wont respond quick enough, the list goes on.

[johnrobertgordon 0]

I said all this once before, the turbo engine is fantastic for a motorway car, for the lanes where the 205 excels you need revs.

[Sam 4]

Boring noise.

 

You've been hearing too many boring turbo engines then

[pug_life 0]

I agree its a waste in a FWD car, but my idea of turbo'd cars is the quattro where its right at home and the 5pots have the torque from 1500rpm to not worry bout abit of lag before 290bhp comes screaming in and 350lb/ft

 

For FWD stuff it has to be induction hammer.... after driving bonos maxi 306 last bonfire night and scaring poor children on the street corners i've found a fondness for ITB's and a set of lumpy cams (colin satchell your ITB's are second to none )

Edited August 4, 2007 by pug_life

[Sandy 189]

You've been hearing too many boring turbo engines then

Yep, saw the Reyland Escort and Sierra at Castle Coombe recently and they were hugely fast, but they were more impressive under braking than acceleration noise wise. Surely that's wrong.

[Hilgie 16 2 Cars]

Agreed with the above....on track I've chosen a S16 on bodies...just for the sound and instant power delivery. But for motorway and daily use I'd choose the turbo engine any time. Just soo nice to leave those 'fast' cars behind you at the lights.

[JamesLumley 4]

Whichever way you go, it will cost some serious dosh to get a relaible high output motor.

 

Having done the Mi route originally and then recently the Gti6 in the rally car, XU engines ain't cheap if you want over 250hp - I'm talking well into 5 figures here.

 

I put a 230hp type r engine in my last mini and it cost about 7.5k inc the engine and kit, i expect a garage would charge you at least 5k inc the engine to do the work to a 205 which is a much less popular conversion - sandy might disagree on this but he did most of it himself I think?

 

High output Xu engines may be around at not a lot of money but they will more than likely need a comprehensive rebuild and JRE (John read) will tell you that a decent new build will cost similar to my gti6)

 

It's pretty easy to get say 200hp out of any of the above without spending a ridiculous sum but start going over that and be prepared to get the bank manager on side.

 

Turbos are cheaper to build but I think less fun to drive and as said above, lose the ITB noise which addictive when you have an engine which will rev over 9k!

[sonofsam 5]

anyone whos a fan of turbo cars should try useing one in competition and see what all that lag does to your times, then theres the uncontrolable wheelspin, not being able to heel toe on the down changes because the whole lumbering mess wont respond quick enough, the list goes on.

 

Fans of N/A cars should try a Turbo car with little lag and electronic boost control Colin, it may just change their mindset.

 

 

But for motorway and daily use I'd choose the turbo engine any time. Just soo nice to leave those 'fast' cars behind you at the lights.

 

Hilgie, Im just down the road from you man, in Breda. Will drop you a PM.

[Sandy 189]

Fans of N/A cars should try a Turbo car with little lag and electronic boost control Colin, it may just change their mindset.

Colin's driven quite a few

[Hilgie 16 2 Cars]

Fans of N/A cars should try a Turbo car with little lag and electronic boost control Colin, it may just change their mindset.

Hilgie, Im just down the road from you man, in Breda. Will drop you a PM.

 

Rudy Simons (with the 205 Multi with 2.1TD) lives in Breda....always willing to give you a passenger ride

[Dream Weaver 2]

The problem I find with NA is the amount of commitment and concentration you need to get the most out of them. If I'm on a spirited drive with mine, I spend most of the time changing down gears to get into the power band and a lot of time at full throttle with the TB's sounding like a BTCC car. It's nice, but it takes a lot of effort and you need to be careful.

 

A turbo is much easier to drive on the limit, and doesn't need as much skill/effort to move forward IMO.

[Sandy 189]

It depends how much power though, my friend's TT powered Mk2 Golf was almost certainly quicker than my 309 in a straight line in the dry (never actually tried them side by side), but through a twisty bit and/or in the wet, it could never, ever, put the power down like mine does. You just don't have the command over the power/traction in a turbo car, however well set up it is.

Why do you think so many WRC drivers' own rally cars are NA?

Edited August 7, 2007 by sandy309

[Nathan 0]

Your all wrong, what you want is a supercharged engine which revs to 11k

 

Anyone put a busa in a 205?

[Sandy 189]

I haven't really sampled superchargers, I'd be interested to try it.

[Richie-Van-GTi 70 2 Cars]

id love to do a busa engined car but not a 205, I reckon the 205 is too heavy for a bike engine due to the lack of torque. Woul have to be a westy or similar.

[eeyore 0]

I can see the attraction of bike engines in light single seater's but in heavy saloons the lack of torque is a real problem especially if any top end is required. most of the heavy bike engined cars ive seen have run out of puff at quite a low speed.