smugpug205 0 Posted November 27, 2006 Hi, Got a problem with my top mount, It keeps snaping the bottom stud that is moulded in to the rubber, this will be my 4th mount in as many months. I fitted a solid bottom mount and new standard gearbox mount at the same time as the first top mount, Can't find any cause unless the solid mount is the problem, Has any one else suffered with this and if so is there a probable cause Any help and advice would be good Adrian Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hengti 2 Posted November 27, 2006 that sounds really odd have you got the buffers shimmed up to the mount? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
smugpug205 0 Posted November 27, 2006 that sounds really odd have you got the buffers shimmed up to the mount? Sorry if this is a silly question what do you mean by buffers? Adrian Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hengti 2 Posted November 27, 2006 they're little squarish (is that a word?!) blocks of rubber that bolt either side of the alloy piece that sits ontop of the mount. if i had a pic, it'd be easier to show you. you have to take them off to get a new mount on. if this doesn't sound familiar, that's probably what's been causing your breakages! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Edp 67 3 Cars Posted November 27, 2006 (edited) The black rubber buffers which fit in front and behind the top engine mount? They bolt in and keep the engine mount nice and 'snug'. If these are worn I guess the engine could move about but I'm not sure it would move as much as to snap 4 top mounts?! Thats if you've got any that is! I cant make any out in the picture of your engine bay but you should have them. Edited November 27, 2006 by Edp Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
smugpug205 0 Posted November 27, 2006 Yes sorry i replaced them as well. I have checked all the bottom mount bolts and all are tight and fine, Does any one make a more robust mount as i have brought the top mounts from the same place? would a main dealer one be better? or do they do a group N one? Could it be just a bad batch. Thanks Adrian Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hengti 2 Posted November 27, 2006 sorry - buffers was my only thought maybe it is a manufacturing defect - can't imagine why they'd keep snapping otherwise maybe someone who has had similar experience will be along to advise . if it's a non genuine 'std' spec part, you might be better off trying either a genuine Peugeot one or an uprated 'group N' type one - BBM bushes (who advertise on here) sell the uprated ones Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
smugpug205 0 Posted November 27, 2006 (edited) Cheers Hengti, I have a BBM bottom mount was just looking on his web site to order a top mount rember reading on here that members get a discount is this still true and if so what is the discount code (205gtidrivers) Cheers Adrian Edited November 27, 2006 by smugpug205 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hengti 2 Posted November 27, 2006 not heard about the discount having been withdrawn - i ordered something about 6 months ago '205 GTi drivers' is the discount code good luck with it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve@cornwall 100 Posted November 27, 2006 One of my neighbours has a 1.9 miami- recently bought, the top rubber mount is ripped apart and the gearbox mount has snapped a stud. close inspection shows a slightly bent chassis leg from a (probably) quite minor front end shunt- imagine this throws everything out of line.putting stresses where they don't belong. Hope this isn't similar to yours, but thought it may be worth mentioning. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lagonda 41 Posted November 28, 2006 Might also be worth loosening all 3 nuts on the other (gearbox) mount. Then remove the lower mount centre bolt and jack under the gearbox just enough to take the weight off its mount. In other words so that you can feel that that rubber mount is free to move. Then use a piece of tubing with an axle stand to pivot, & then lever the gearbox up and down a few times... gently. This will settle the engine/gearbox assembly in a position it's happy with, in relation to the gearbox mount. Then obviously tighten the gearbox mount bolts & replace lower mount bolt. The mount you're replacing is non-adjustable, any adjustment necessary should be done with the gearbox mounting; you will find the 2 holes for the studs are oval to allow adjustment. It might be that someone previously has tightened the gearbox mounting before dealing with other mount, thus putting it under tension it's not designed for; procedure above should resolve it if so. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wurzel 16 Posted November 29, 2006 I was going to suggest what lagonda has said. There are people who deliberately push the engine over to one side in order to clear the brake master cylinder (some Mi engined cars) and they have had no problems that I know of. Non OE bushes have been a bit suspect in the past though, usually wishbone bushes but doesn't mean other bushes aren't going to be bad. I can't see the lower solid mount being a major concern as most of the engine movement control is through this mount (torque reaction etc). As it's the metal stud that is shearing, maybe the material they use is substandard. Hopefully it is otherwise an uprated mount would/could be worse. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
smugpug205 0 Posted November 30, 2006 Cheers for the replys guy's, I ordered the uprated top mount from BBM just waiting for it to be delivered (may have come today but back at work and there was a card through the door) When it's here though i will do what lagonda said and make sure the engine and mounts are sitting correct. Think when i put the engine and box back in i did the gearbox mount up first before the top engine mount was back on. Thanks Adrian Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wurzel 16 Posted December 1, 2006 Well I just fitted my kit from BBM (finally). The movement on the gearbox mount is pretty small to be honest. I'd expect more problems with these mount if the gearbox mount was moved over too much rather than with the more squishy standard ones. Still, I hope it solves your problems By the way, expect a few more rattles in the car at idle let alone full chat Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
smugpug205 0 Posted December 2, 2006 By the way, expect a few more rattles in the car at idle let alone full chat Is there alot more rattles with this top mount then, Thought something was broken when i first fitted my uprated bottom mount. Still had it 2 years now and it still brings a smile to my face every time i drive it (unless mr tacametric reley burns the solder of the fuel pump feed again ) Adrian Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hengti 2 Posted December 2, 2006 Is there alot more rattles with this top mount then, of the three uprated mounts, it's the top one that makes the most difference - both in terms of introducing vibration and the plus points of improving gear change and turn in they do seem to soften with age/use though if you fit the uprated buffers as well, that'll make it vibrate like mad. it's only personal pref, but i opted to keep the std buffers with the uprated mount Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
smugpug205 0 Posted December 2, 2006 of the three uprated mounts, it's the top one that makes the most difference - both in terms of introducing vibration and the plus points of improving gear change and turn in they do seem to soften with age/use though if you fit the uprated buffers as well, that'll make it vibrate like mad. it's only personal pref, but i opted to keep the std buffers with the uprated mount Ahh in for a penny in for pound It was delivered today so i will get it fitted while at work in the morning. Adrian Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
