GlasgowRob 0 Posted May 28, 2006 well guys my poor pug is not starting long story short. car was running fine on friday night, just fitted a new dizzy to her and she was running true and smooth. managed 3 miles before she spluttered to a halt pulled over to the side of the road and she wouldnt start again have fuel have spark, although did suspect the coil due to the spark being a bit weak looking. so replaced the coil for good measure. all the dizzy, rotor arm, cap, leads, plugs and coil are under 5 miles old anyone suggest a next step as its getting a bit pricey after a new dizzy and coil so far this week ideally i want to get the bloody thing started for tuesday save me cadging a lift to work Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ahl 4 Posted May 28, 2006 Did you have this problem before you replaced the dizzy? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GlasgowRob 0 Posted May 28, 2006 no the car ran rough as a badgers backside and was badly overfuelling before i changed the dizzy new dizzy went on and she ran sweet as a nut. got 3 miles in her (she sat idling for 1/2 hour before we went out) Then I took her for a quick run up the dual carriageway came off the roundabout opened her up a tad to about 4k then she cut out few farts and pops whilst she coasted to the side of the road then nothing. now heres the killer. my old man suggested it might have slipped a tooth on the belt. although i dont see that this would stop her starting. looseened the dizzy off and turned it right round clockwise and the car sounds more inclined to start(actually coughs and farts) but alas still wont go any more thoughts guys? as i dont want to start throwing boat loads of cash at her Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GlasgowRob 0 Posted May 29, 2006 no the car ran rough as a badgers backside and was badly overfuelling before i changed the dizzy new dizzy went on and she ran sweet as a nut. got 3 miles in her (she sat idling for 1/2 hour before we went out) Then I took her for a quick run up the dual carriageway came off the roundabout opened her up a tad to about 4k then she cut out few farts and pops whilst she coasted to the side of the road then nothing. now heres the killer. my old man suggested it might have slipped a tooth on the belt. although i dont see that this would stop her starting. looseened the dizzy off and turned it right round clockwise and the car sounds more inclined to start(actually coughs and farts) but alas still wont go any more thoughts guys? as i dont want to start throwing boat loads of cash at her bump for a poorly pug Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve@cornwall 100 Posted May 29, 2006 bump for a poorly pug try putting the old rotor arm back in- once had one where the locating lug broke off allowing dizzy to turn inside it! £300 later at a "specialist" -new timing belt,plugs leads s/h dizzy etc it was no better-took ages to find it as we all assumed it couldn't be at fault just 'cos it was new! 3yrs ago and the last time I took it to a garage 'cept for mot! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GlasgowRob 0 Posted May 29, 2006 try putting the old rotor arm back in- once had one where the locating lug broke off allowing dizzy to turn inside it! £300 later at a "specialist" -new timing belt,plugs leads s/h dizzy etc it was no better-took ages to find it as we all assumed it couldn't be at fault just 'cos it was new! 3yrs ago and the last time I took it to a garage 'cept for mot! tried the rotor arm and the cap both to no avail Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
205007 12 Posted May 29, 2006 have you checked the condition of the plugs? i.e is the car flooded? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GlasgowRob 0 Posted May 29, 2006 have you checked the condition of the plugs? i.e is the car flooded? yup popped in a set of shiney new plugs and leads too Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
205007 12 Posted May 29, 2006 so after you have been cranking the car are the plugs wet? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GlasgowRob 0 Posted May 29, 2006 so after you have been cranking the car are the plugs wet? that i will check tonight Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GlasgowRob 0 Posted May 29, 2006 that i will check tonight ok plugs are dry repeat plugs are dry. checked and i have fuel up to the fuel rail so its looking at injection side of things any pointers (read where the hells the fuses for the injectors?) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ahl 4 Posted May 29, 2006 Ah, so the injectors could be at fault. It could be the tachymetric relay, this is the combined fuel pump and injector relay, and is located inside the dashboard on later cars, just above the cubby hole below right of the steering wheel. I think its in the engine bay on early cars. Usually both the injectors and fuel pump stop working, but you never know. it usually fails due to dirt on the contacts inside or from the soldered joints coming loose. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GlasgowRob 0 Posted May 29, 2006 well funny you should say that fuel pump doesnt buzz when you turn the key (although did work when i put 12v thru it so think thats a possibility this tachymetric relay thingy, lil green one next to the coil on me pug?????? think you may have helped me out big styllee here ta much any way to test or bypass this? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve@cornwall 100 Posted May 29, 2006 this tachymetric relay thingy, lil green one next to the coil on me pug?????? Nope,lil black thingy next to the ecu on yer pug! looks like a relay but costs 10 times more! First step un-plug, clean contacts and plug it in again- you never know.......ever see one on a scrappy-have it! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GlasgowRob 0 Posted May 29, 2006 this tachymetric relay thingy, lil green one next to the coil on me pug?????? Nope,lil black thingy next to the ecu on yer pug! looks like a relay but costs 10 times more! First step un-plug, clean contacts and plug it in again- you never know.......ever see one on a scrappy-have it! positive about this steve? bear in mind this is a v early model 1986 205 gti Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve@cornwall 100 Posted May 30, 2006 positive about this steve? bear in mind this is a v early model 1986 205 gti oops! lil black thingy in the little black box on the front pass side chassis rail. behind+below h/light! there,s other relays in there too-should be the one with most connections! I'll count them when I can see one!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GlasgowRob 0 Posted May 30, 2006 oops! lil black thingy in the little black box on the front pass side chassis rail. behind+below h/light! there,s other relays in there too-should be the one with most connections! I'll count them when I can see one!!! i'll have a look when i get in from work damn aint seen any relays there but hey its french they probably fell off Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GlasgowRob 0 Posted May 30, 2006 i'll have a look when i get in from work damn aint seen any relays there but hey its french they probably fell off right away to have a butchers just now, i shall report my findings shortly Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GlasgowRob 0 Posted May 30, 2006 right away to have a butchers just now, i shall report my findings shortly update volt meter shows no volts on the injector plugs any thoughts on this latest update??? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve@cornwall 100 Posted June 1, 2006 well guys my poor pug is not starting long story short. car was running fine on friday night, just fitted a new dizzy to her and she was running true and smooth. managed 3 miles before she spluttered to a halt pulled over to the side of the road and she wouldnt start again have fuel have spark, although did suspect the coil due to the spark being a bit weak looking. so replaced the coil for good measure. all the dizzy, rotor arm, cap, leads, plugs and coil are under 5 miles old anyone suggest a next step as its getting a bit pricey after a new dizzy and coil so far this week ideally i want to get the bloody thing started for tuesday save me cadging a lift to work Been trying to get my head round this awhile.. the gti doesn't use a crank sensor but a charge generated by rotating the dizzy (starts with cranking) sent to ecu to switch tachymetric relay + injectors ? ??? anyone? Therefore possibly suspect problem with new dizzy, even if new, or conectionns from dizzy & through amp module? checking that all multiplug wires are pushed fully home individually-single wires can become displaced when fitting multiplugs together Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GlasgowRob 0 Posted June 1, 2006 [on hold till the weekend we have a new problem starter motor is now fubar ah le merde 205 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
