BE3 release bearing

[Pierre_b 4]

Hello,

I am swaping my be1 for a be3 (no marking, so not sure of the provenance, it has been sold to me as a 1.6 gti be3).

The be3 release bearing that i bought doesn't fit :

 

Did I order the wrong part ? Or have I the wrong fork/box.

 

Thank you for your advice, I can t fond a picture of a be3 release bearing mount on his fork.

Pierre

[welshpug 1,727]

by the look of the clutch fork that is a pull clutch fork from something like an XU10 or XUD9TE, the bearing looks correct though check its overall height as there is a variance.

 

you will need a push type arm and fork, you can get kits of arm fork and pin,  beware that some of them have incorrect pairs of bushes, even being the same colour.

[Pierre_b 4]

Thank you for your fast answer. Il look like I don't have a 1.6 short ratio box... To limit my cost, can I switch the fork from my BE1 box? It seems a bit different (the car is one hour away so I can't check by my self).

[SRDT 236]

A gearbox that originally had a pull fork should also have a "R" bellhousing (1b) not the BE1/BE3 bellhousing (1a) with the opening for the BE1 fork that you can find on a 1.6 gearbox :

You should probably start by removing the diff cover to check what final drive you have (16x65 for a 1.6) and the 5th gear cover to see what gearset you're likely to have (37x32 5th gear for a GTI).

[welshpug 1,727]

look for a code etched into the casing just below where the clutch cable attaches to a BE3 arm, its upside down and will be a 6 number/letter code such as 20TE47 or similar.

 

or take the diff cover off and check the gear ratio there also.

 

if it is from a  306 or 405 or 406 even, the mounting stud will be quite different to a 205, not having the shoulder for the Bush to clamp down on and being much longer.

 

 

also, the top gear selector will be cranked upwards rather than flat.

[Pierre_b 4]

1 hour ago, welshpug said:

look for a code etched into the casing just below where the clutch cable attaches to a BE3 arm, its upside down and will be a 6 number/letter code such as 20TE47 or similar.

 

or take the diff cover off and check the gear ratio there also.

 

if it is from a  306 or 405 or 406 even, the mounting stud will be quite different to a 205, not having the shoulder for the Bush to clamp down on and being much longer.

 

 

also, the top gear selector will be cranked upwards rather than flat.

Thanks again for all the answers. I will probably not be able to check for a few weeks, but I took a picture of the gearbox. I took of the dirty one and the weird one is on the left.

 

 

Hard to say for the mounting stud, and I don t know what to look on the top gear selector.

 

I'll check the code next time, and worst case scénario I'll open like you suggest.

 

Another question is did I order the right release bearing, I took this one :

 

 

Here the Peugeot code for it on autodoc :

 

 

The 204142 ref is Ok according to miamistu, but the picture is quite différent :

 

 

Of you have any advice... I am looking at be3 box from a xu7 Xsara, really cheap as an alternative, instead of fighting with a box from an unknow origine. I ll wait to check what you suggest and décidé from here 

 

Thanks

Pierre

Edited Sunday at 03:12 PM by Pierre_b
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[welshpug 1,727]

the box looks like a 306 or xsara one, the elecronix speedo sensor is a giveaway, as is the top selector arm, you can see its different to yours on the right.

 

the mounting pin is the correct 205 one however,     also your gearbox on the right is missing the large washer under the pin.

 

 

the image on miamistu is showing a BE1 205 style bearing, I wouldn't worry about this as images dont always match the supplied part,   what you have looks correct.

[welshpug 1,727]

an XU7 xsara box may be a decent choice, you will still need to change the speedometer drive for a 205 one, the top selector arm for a 205 one, and the mounting pin,    the clutch fork and arm will be the correct style for a push clutch though.

[Pierre_b 4]

Hello, I had a bit of time to check on the box and found the code, it seems to be 20cl47 :

 

If anyone know what the ratio are, i am interested. I think that i can retrofit the be1 system, it has the opening srdt was talking above (which is weird considering it's a pull type if I understand well the above). I'll try later and let you know.

If i need to open the diff cover and the 5 gear cover, what should i use to reseal it ?

 

Thank you,

 

Pierre

[welshpug 1,727]

several google results for 20CL47 show it as being a 1.8 8v Xantia gearbox, it should have a push type BE3 arm so it'll go straight into a 205 with a BE3 cable.

 

it will have a 67x16 FD, a 4.18-1 ratio, I couldn't find any definitive answer for the rest of the gear ratios though, they may be quite long being in a non sporty saloon car with 100 bhp.

 

I doubt it will have been thrashed!

 

the top selector arm will need modifying or changing to a Flat 205 arm,   though the mounting pin and washer are the same as the 205 so that is one less job.

[Pierre_b 4]

Hello, thank you for your answer, i wasn t able to find the diff ratio. I found that it was on a Xantia too, and check that the release bearing was the correct one. I don t understand why it won t fit the arm 

 

Pierre

[SRDT 236]

PSA switched from BE1 to BE3 kind of overnight, to help with that they had to modify the BE1 casings in advance. What your BE3 could lack is some BE1 specific machining.

 

CL47 short "9cv" gearbox from early Xantia XU7JP

Ratios: 11/38 23/43 25/34 29/31 35/28

Final drive: 16/67

Speedo drive grears: 22/19 (reuse 19/17 from the GTI)

Diff size: Ø77 (small one but the correct size for a 205)

Push type clutch Ø200mm

[Pierre_b 4]

Hello,

Thank you for all this info.

 

What is the thing with the speedo drive ? It s not the same in all the gearbox ?

 

What's the diff size ? 

 

And last question, why do you think the be3 release bearing does not fit ?

 

Thanks again !

 

Pierre

 

[SRDT 236]

Speedo drive gears will change depending of the wheel diameter so that the speedo reads the correct speed.

The diff exist in two sizes, with the bigger one you may need to modify a bit a drive shaft but that's not a concern with the gearbox you have.

As for the bearing problem your fork looks like a pull type so maybe this gearbox of yours was used in another car with a pull type clutch before. That's why even with the stock gearbox information it's still a good idea to take a look inside, maybe you do have the correct 1.6 GTI guts inside the Xantia casings.