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pug_ham

Xsara VTS beam rebuild

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pug_ham

I finally got round to stripping the rear beam on my Xsara VTS for a freshen up with new bearings & seals which I've been intending to do for the last couple of winters while it's parked up.

 

It looks like I might have done it just in time, not that it see's much use in wet weather but with the english summers, you never know.  

 

Axle shafts are in fairly good for a 19 year old beam in all.

 

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It took some getting apart, I'd hoped to do it with the tube still on the car because of the thoughtful way Peugeot routed the rear brake pipes on the Xsara/ 306 but after lots of plusgas & shearing every 10.9 M8 stud I had for Tom Fentons puller, I had to remove the whole beam off the car & resort to old methods with a lump hammer.

 

The torsion bars had never seen any form of grease when they were put togther.

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Luckily Citroen had put a split into the bracket on the leftside of the beam so I could disconnect the brake pipes without any trouble but for some reason the rightside didn't have this so I had to add it myself.

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It actually came apart pretty easily when the BFH was brought into action.

 

Now for the clean up, new bearings & replace the seals.

 

I tackled a little bit of light rust on the body above the beam but I now plan to drop the tank off next winter to get to the bits I couldn't with it on & give the rest of the underside a bit more rust protection.

 

Unfortunately I've only got an approximate dummy shock length setting because I ended up removing the beam to knock it apart where I'd hoped to be able to use Tom's puller with my dummy shock tool to get things apart nicely.

 

Does anybody know the setting for the Xsara VTS with 21mm torsion bars to give a standard ride height?

 

IIRC about 330mm is right for the 306 GTI-6 / D turbo hdi & mine was set to approximately 318mm from when I was trying to get it apart but because the bars were rusted in place, I don't know how accurate it is & if I'd got all the tension out of the bars when I was trying to remove them.

 

g.

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petert

Good catch! You poor bastards love your salt.

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welshpug

Those torsion bars being stuck echoes my experience with Xsara beams 10 years ago, though  the shafts were far  more worn!

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dcc

I've seen waaaaay over 20t on the press with xsara torsion bars! Heat and hammer, at arm's length haha

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jord294

Std vts ride height is around 316mm. Done plenty of these to know.

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pug_ham
4 minutes ago, jord294 said:

Std vts ride height is around 316mm. Done plenty of these to know.

 

Thanks Andy, I was hoping one of you beam guys would know.

 

 

Maybe I didn't have mine set quite right initially  but considering how tight the bars were in, I doubt it'd have made much difference in getting it apart.

 

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pug_ham

Got a quick half hour on this today & got the radius arm spline holes & torsion bar ends cleaned up so they slide through easily & that's before I put any grease on for the final rebuild.

 

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I got the tube ends cleaned a coupe of evenings ago.

 

I'm getting my dummy shock tool remade but hopefully that'll be ready tomorrow & then I can get things back together soon.

 

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pug_ham

Bit of an update on this.

 

Things slowed down mainly due to me struggling to find the arb end plate seals 5179.10 to replace mine as they were unusable.

 

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Thankfully Dean Hunter @ Peugeotparts came through with a pair.

 

I also couldn't find a Peugeot dealer willing to supply the bearings & seals kit and I wasn't convinced the the majority sets I found on ebay had the better spec bearings in them so I decided to do a temporary rebuild with the original bearings re-greased & run it for the month or two I'll have it on the road over summer & then do it all with fresh stuff over winter when I drop the fuel tank etc to clean the light rust & protect it all for a few years on.

 

The radius arms were still a very tight fit through the inner bearings when it came to putting the arms back in but once the were in with the dummy shock set to 316mm (thanks @jord294 ), the freshly cleaned & greased torsion bar's slid home easily by hand.

 

Although I did get it slightly out for the first installation of the r/h bar as it didn't seat fully home without a bit of force for the last ~10mm, when I did the l/h and it slid fully home by pushing with my finger, I swapped back to the r/h side and gave it another go, rotating it a couple more splines & it slid straight home just like the l/h so it showed me that even when the torsion bars slide almost fully home they might not be in exactly the right place.

 

I must have got the right first time on every other beam I've put together!

 

I've Just got the end gap to the radius arm seal to set & the 24mm 306 arb to fit (in place of the Xsara 23mm one) & I can get it back on it's wheels ready to go.

 

g

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jord294

5179.10 readily available from main dealer, as I bought 10 last week. I also have genuine bearing kits here too. 5132.62 for ref. They are nla now from main dealer, but I bought loads of kits for stock

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On 6/16/2022 at 2:49 PM, jord294 said:

5179.10 readily available from main dealer, as I bought 10 last week.

@jord294 Thanks And, how much did you get them for?

 

I don't have a main dealer locally who has a parts department, last I tried I was sent to a larger dealer who wasn't interested in getting the front arb bushes I needed at the time.

 

I'm after making a bulk buy so I have stock for future rebuilds & some other arb's I have with the 306 end plates.

 

That's the kit number I asked about but the place i contacted (Peugeotpartsdirect in Bristol) simply replied saying none of the beam parts I gave them numbers for were available anymore.

 

Are the torsion bar studs still available or have they also gone nla.

 

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jord294

Just under £4 each iirc. D/e studs and offset washers via Stew @ bbm.

Foam rings, arb bushes, seals, crossmember seals, torx plugs for arb levers, trailing arm shafts, I believe only things still available from main dealer

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pug_ham
20 hours ago, jord294 said:

Just under £4 each iirc.

Thanks, I'll try a few more localish dealers & see if they'll come through for me for the end plate seals.

 

I might see about a bulk purchase of the seals etc from them, assuming I find a helpful one.

 

Foam seals I'll get the upgraded versions from Tom.

 

I'l order some studs from Stew this weekend, I've got quite a few offset washers in stock.

 

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