DBG 16 Posted October 20, 2016 Morning all, I realise this is possibly a silly question, but has anyone fitted the 1.6 turbo from the later Pug GTI's to their 205 by chance? Is it possible / similar in difficulty to a GTI6 conversion? Are the engine mounts the same? Just a thought really. Thanks Ben Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
allye 530 3 Cars Posted October 20, 2016 It's nothing like a GTI6 conversion at all, in any way. Not been done yet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DBG 16 Posted October 20, 2016 Thanks mate. My initial thoughts are the problems would be the engine management / talking to the dash / drive by wire / mounting points etc. Was just a thought given the engines can be picked up reasonably cheap these days and are much younger than the GTI6 engines (and possibly lighter?). I drive the car most days so would also possibly be more economical than the 8v. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely loved my GTI6 conversion years ago, and I'll likely keep this car standard, was just a question that crossed my mind this morning. Cheers Ben Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gaz205 50 Posted October 20, 2016 Having owned a 207 GTI with the 175 THP engine, I wouldn't recommend it as even a transplant unit. Very unreliable... Cam chain issues, they use a lot of oil, they build up with carbon massively and I would assume would need to be mated to the pug/DS3 box which they again have their issues of only 5 speed and suffer duel mass fly wheel issues... Maybe a rebuilt unit would survive but I'm not convinced the work would be worth the outcome? I'd be more interested in seeing a 1600HDI dropped into a 205! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
welshpug 1,622 Posted October 20, 2016 the only other engine more troublesome than the EP6 is the DV6 :lol newer EP6 seem to be vastly improved, they got the highest bhp/litre for a production 1.6 with the RCZ R special too. mounts etc would be all custom, but given its lineage being close to a TU engine making it fit shouldnt be too hard, depends how bulky the gearbox is, there are 6 speed boxes for them by now. main issue is it being a direct injection variable valve timing electric throttle electronic boost control 3 map sensors 3 engine position sensors, probably many more, its not a simple thing to run! you wouldn't need to get the 207 or whatever dash in, youd need to do some programming so the ecu works either without the bsi unit or without the rest of the car connected to the bsi unit, probably add the standard 205 dash sensors in addition to the ep6 stuff the ecu runs (207 etc use a single coolant sensor fur example, the ecu sends signal to dashboard and ac system) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DBG 16 Posted October 21, 2016 Thanks for the info guys. It doesn't sound like it would be a simple conversion. Also not really keen on blazing an untrodden trail if no one else has attempted it as yet! Haha. Cheers Ben Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gaz205 50 Posted October 21, 2016 the only other engine more troublesome than the EP6 is the DV6 :lol newer EP6 seem to be vastly improved, they got the highest bhp/litre for a production 1.6 with the RCZ R special too. mounts etc would be all custom, but given its lineage being close to a TU engine making it fit shouldnt be too hard, depends how bulky the gearbox is, there are 6 speed boxes for them by now. main issue is it being a direct injection variable valve timing electric throttle electronic boost control 3 map sensors 3 engine position sensors, probably many more, its not a simple thing to run! you wouldn't need to get the 207 or whatever dash in, youd need to do some programming so the ecu works either without the bsi unit or without the rest of the car connected to the bsi unit, probably add the standard 205 dash sensors in addition to the ep6 stuff the ecu runs (207 etc use a single coolant sensor fur example, the ecu sends signal to dashboard and ac system) I wish I'd tried harder at school then I'd be able to write things like that ^ lol At least we both agree'd it's a poor engine ! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tom_Gallington06 9 1 Cars Posted January 31, 2021 Has anybody tried this yet? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
speaksgeek 5 Posted January 31, 2021 I'm also curious about this. ECU's for direct injection are relatively available, so the control doesn't seem so daunting. I'm more interested in the physical fitment. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
welshpug 1,622 Posted February 1, 2021 physical fit is the easiest bit doubt anyone has done it yet as they have a long history of catastrophic failures, the most recent variants seem to have ironed these out and are making big power reliably. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tom_Gallington06 9 1 Cars Posted February 4, 2021 I know somebody that races a 208 gti so the wiring side should be fine on a standalone ecu. I am starting to look into it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SRDT 146 Posted February 4, 2021 For the Gearbox side you could go with a mix of BE3 ans BE4: BE4 bellhousing with a cable operated clutch fork, I think the cable has to be the one for the TU gearbox. Everything else from a BE3 so it bolts straight with no mods needed. Another option is the new six speed MB6, it should bolt on the EP6 and it's based on the BE4, you mostly need to make a gearbox mount adapter and use BE3 bits for the tacho cable or the gear change. The six speed MCM on the other hand has no cable clucth, a cable operated gearstick with the gearbox side on the front, no provision for a tachometer cable... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
