205 Gti Prices?

[driversdomainuk 8]

I'm in a slight predicament. I have a 205GTI which I use for hillclimbing in road going class (1.9). Its mint and standard (apart from a plate type diff, firmer springs and a larger rear ARB). I often get approach my people saying how nice and standard it looks etc....

 

However, I'm thinking about going back into modified production, but I really don't fancy putting a cage in it and butchering it.

 

I'm going around in circles, my thoughts are:

1. Keep it standard and withdraw it from competition driving, and get some kind of comfort that it's rising in value

2. Keep it in road-going, but develop the engine more - carbs maybe head work, but then it starts to loose its originality albeit will still look nice and standard

3. Take it to the butchers, roll cage it, seats, MI engine, 200bhp etc.....but then still try and keep some of its original external looks

 

I'm leaning towards point 2.

 

I guess a competition prepared car, no matter how mild, will never appeal to collectors, the masses, greedy car dealers...but can such a car, if prepared "sympathetically" if thats the right word, still have it's appeal, and will not look like a "messed with" example...?

[dobboy 231 2 Cars]

Bargain

 

 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/like/peugeot-205-gti-phase1-1-9-1987/262645351184?hlpht=true&ops=true&viphx=1&_trksid=p5197.c100068.m2280&_trkparms=ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140211130857%26meid%3Dc5e42224b9134d0db0f1a8230fdfc38f%26pid%3D100068%26clkid%3D8554673027258206362&_qi=RTM2063723

Well that one sold quick, as expected.

[barneys66 120 1 Cars]

I'm in a slight predicament. I have a 205GTI which I use for hillclimbing in road going class (1.9). Its mint and standard (apart from a plate type diff, firmer springs and a larger rear ARB). I often get approach my people saying how nice and standard it looks etc....

 

However, I'm thinking about going back into modified production, but I really don't fancy putting a cage in it and butchering it.

 

I'm going around in circles, my thoughts are:

 

1. Keep it standard and withdraw it from competition driving, and get some kind of comfort that it's rising in value

2. Keep it in road-going, but develop the engine more - carbs maybe head work, but then it starts to loose its originality albeit will still look nice and standard

3. Take it to the butchers, roll cage it, seats, MI engine, 200bhp etc.....but then still try and keep some of its original external looks

 

I'm leaning towards point 2.

 

I guess a competition prepared car, no matter how mild, will never appeal to collectors, the masses, greedy car dealers...but can such a car, if prepared "sympathetically" if thats the right word, still have it's appeal, and will not look like a "messed with" example...?

Whilst hardly mint, with mine being an early Ph1 I was keen to do things sympathetically. Equally, it was mostly done before I bought it, but I did return a few bits to stock before further modifying it.

 

 

There's no reason why you couldn't go for option 3, retaining all of the original bits in the loft, then returning to standard once you've had your fun and want to cash in. However, it would probably be cheaper and less effort in the long run to buy a competition car for fun, and keep your current ride as, appreciating nicely.

[speno 239 2 Cars]

I'm in a slight predicament. I have a 205GTI which I use for hillclimbing in road going class (1.9). Its mint and standard (apart from a plate type diff, firmer springs and a larger rear ARB). I often get approach my people saying how nice and standard it looks etc....

 

However, I'm thinking about going back into modified production, but I really don't fancy putting a cage in it and butchering it.

 

I'm going around in circles, my thoughts are:

 

1. Keep it standard and withdraw it from competition driving, and get some kind of comfort that it's rising in value

2. Keep it in road-going, but develop the engine more - carbs maybe head work, but then it starts to loose its originality albeit will still look nice and standard

3. Take it to the butchers, roll cage it, seats, MI engine, 200bhp etc.....but then still try and keep some of its original external looks

 

I'm leaning towards point 2.

 

I guess a competition prepared car, no matter how mild, will never appeal to collectors, the masses, greedy car dealers...but can such a car, if prepared "sympathetically" if thats the right word, still have it's appeal, and will not look like a "messed with" example...?

could you just not buy another one not as good for hill climbing or dont you have the space etc

[speno 239 2 Cars]

Yes I get what you are saying, I just don't agree it is artificial or un natural. It was inevitable that a car that over the years has been described as iconic etc so many times was bound to sky rocket. In my opinion the only artificial thing was how cheap they were for so long, even compared to contempories, Golf GTI's and Escort Turbos for years were double and more compared to average 205 GTI pricing.

This , they have been too cheap for a while

Also they are getting harder to find now for some folk esp the folk who cant be arsed to travel

I also think they will keep on rising too

Edited September 28, 2016 by speno

[driversdomainuk 8]

could you just not buy another one not as good for hill climbing or dont you have the space etc

 

I don't really have the space...

[steve@cornwall 100]

Comparing well modified competition cars such as minis Mark one escorts etc to similar conditioned average examples I would think that you will in no way devalue your car. However this doesn't seem to be effected by the model of the base car.So perhaps the thing to do is sell a decent original gti and use the cash to modify another 205, I bet you could pick up a very decent solid auto or perhaps a sdtd as a base and a good amount of hillclmb parts with your cash. After all a lot of the bits that make a gti a gti would be going in the bin anyway.

[dobboy 231 2 Cars]

What is odd about 205's is the wide range of prices.

 

If someone asks you how much a decent 205GTI is, what do you tell them?

 

"errrmmm, somewhere between £2k and £12k"

 

Anyone know what the "little green book" says about prices? (if it even exists now)

 

 

what will be interesting is what someone get's for a decent car on the next insurance claim.

Edited September 28, 2016 by dobboy

[welshpug 1,626]

butchering is your choice, you could put the cage in properly.

[GLPoomobile 958]

Yes I get what you are saying, I just don't agree it is artificial or un natural. It was inevitable that a car that over the years has been described as iconic etc so many times was bound to sky rocket. In my opinion the only artificial thing was how cheap they were for so long, even compared to contempories, Golf GTI's and Escort Turbos for years were double and more compared to average 205 GTI pricing.

 

That's a very good point Tom and well put.

 

I've just got a bee in my bonnet about all these greedy little tossers trying to sell something substandard for ludicrous amounts of cash, or trying make out that their 205 is something it isn't. The wonderful world of sales!

Edited September 28, 2016 by GLPoomobile

[driversdomainuk 8]

 

That's a very good point Tom and well put.

 

I've just got a bee in my bonnet about all these greedy little tossers trying to sell something substandard for ludicrous amounts of cash, or trying make out that their 205 is something it isn't. The wonderful world of sales!

 

I totally get what you're saying...I almost cringe when reading the cars history and the owners life story in every bloody detail. But what happens if someone bites, and actually buys a 205 for a stupid amount of money?

 

A car is only worth what someone is prepared to pay. If a 205 sells for £25k then people will assume thats what it must be worth and then price accordingly.

 

I guess they are just limit testing the market by going in with a high price, and lower it until it sells..

Edited September 28, 2016 by driversdomainuk

[dobboy 231 2 Cars]

Just out of interest I searched to see how much Golfs of the same "era" were going for.

 

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/volkswagen/golf-gti-mk1-mk2/volkswagen-golf-gti-16v-mk-ii-like-new-condition-throughout-freshly-imported-from-japan/4704759

 

I can't believe they've not even bothered to disguise the fact it's been a boy racers car.

[wicked 103 3 Cars]

The boys have grown up and got money... Now they want a relic from their 'wild' youth...

[toolie72 67 1 Cars]

From a personal viewpoint my gti will only leave me if "I run out of talent"

Twisty north of Scotland roads and rs turbos etc will be upside down in a tree as 205 batters on round corners!.

what we are seeing is the equalisation of the market-xr2s etc can not be worth more than a 205-age doesn't make them less crap/less rust heaps and it's bugged me for a long time that people would pay more for an inferior car (yes I've had an xr2 and a mark 1 golf 1600 gti!!)

The question of modifying is a long term one, a mark one escort two door is worth a fortune standard or modified, the 205s still too young I feel for that too apply

What's more likely to happen in the market is prices will flatten out (with the odd exception)

Yes some people will pay over the odds but hey it's their money to lose

[205Rallee 59]

Just been rummaging through leboncoin (rather than have to watch Coronation Street or go in the freezing cold garage to swap the wheels round on the Pug) and was amazed at how much the Frenchies ar trying to sell GTi's for at the moment 15,000 euros seem to be the average price over there these days. So nows the time to buy a £3k RHD Gti and swap it over to LHD and make £10k profit. Thought that brand new LHD rack I bought years ago would come into its own one day

 

Anyway here's a link to a 24,000 Euro bargain!

 

https://www.leboncoin.fr/voitures/1074933616.htm?ca=7_s

[steve@cornwall 100]

"avec plip" made me smile