mowflow 67 Posted July 22, 2014 In a moment of uncharacteristic generosity I offered to buy the wife a new (used) car. I bought her a xsara Picasso 2.0hdi last year as a stop gap. Despite being long in the tooth, unloved by all its previous owners and having more knocks and bangs than a Thai whore she absolutely loves it. So much so she is adamant she wants the new version. The c4 Picasso of about 2008 seems to come in 2 flavours. 1.6hdi and the much rarer 2.0hdi. Both appear to be shared with ford. From what I can tell the 1.6 is a dog. The 2.0 seems to be less prone to issues but they all come with the auto box. It turns out this has a DMF and the only one we test drove it was definitely on the way out. Does anyone have any experience of these engines/boxes/models? Internet searches have a tendency of only throwing up the bad. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nick205 12 5 Cars Posted July 22, 2014 Can't comment on long term reliability, but I had a Volvo V50 for a short while as a company car. This had the same 1.6 diesel engine shared with ford and pug and in V50 guise with start/stop. Have to say it was a cracking little motor at 115bhp, it pulled nicely and was very light on fuel. Very easy 65 mpg on the motorways. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
welshpug 1,621 Posted July 22, 2014 it wont have dmf and auto box Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mowflow 67 Posted July 22, 2014 It's the EGS box. Does that make a difference? I'm sure I read about failures of DMFs on EGS boxes fitted to the 1.6HDi. I just figured the box would be the same. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tom Fenton 1,524 Posted July 23, 2014 Auto boxes don't have dual mass flywheels, not on any vehicle. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mowflow 67 Posted July 23, 2014 I don't want to try to teach my granny to suck eggs here, both of you guys know a hell of a lot more than me and I'm obviously only going on unknowns on the internet which is never a good idea. One of the cars I walked (ran) away from made this exact same noise. The video was linked from this thread about a DMF failure on a 2.0hdi with EGS. I'm sure EGS is a computer controlled manual box the same as SMG etc. http://c4owners.org/plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?167490 The car was awaiting prep and had "check DMF" written on the windscreen along with several other issues. The salesman said he thought it was an engine mount DMF or not. Just scratching the surface of issues with this box I think I'm going to avoid it like the plague. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
welshpug 1,621 Posted July 23, 2014 (edited) its not an "auto" gearbox is it they have torque converters anf flex plates. the automated manual gearboxes from psa have always been troublesome, but you cant avoid the dmf any more, theyre on everything with a decent amount of torque. Edited July 23, 2014 by welshpug Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tom Fenton 1,524 Posted July 23, 2014 Its not an auto then is it, its a clutchless manual which is different. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
S@m 156 Posted July 23, 2014 (edited) Definitely avoid EGS boxes, the actuators give no end of issues and even when they are 100% working correctly they are terrible jerky things, as said above it just a manual with some computer controlled actuators that operate the clutch and the gear selectors for you, and not very well i might add. The 2.0 hdi engine is very good though, with a manual box or a conventional auto it is a fine choice. The 1.6 hdi isn't really as good an engine but is my no means a dog, it is by far the most common engine in all PSA vehicles these days and they've ironed out many issues. DMF's are largely unavoidable, it is worth noting that motaquip do them for fairly reasonable (by DMF standards) prices but its still a hefty blow. Edited July 23, 2014 by Sam306 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mowflow 67 Posted July 23, 2014 Okay, I said auto when I meant automated manual. Potato potato (that doesn't work so well when it's written down). Sorry. I've had a few cars with DMFs and no issues so they don't scare me that much. What scares me is anything with a widely reported expensive fault. I've just read the Citroen didn't even cover this part under their warranty on new cars. So they either thought it would never fail or was going to fail every couple of miles. Cheers for the help and the education. So old fashion autos can't have a DMF then. Every days a school day Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jackherer 543 Posted July 23, 2014 Slightly off topic but how does the law see them? Can you drive an automated manual car on an automatic driving license? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aldworth33 45 1 Cars Posted July 24, 2014 Iv done plenty of work on the 1.6hdi engines at a previous employer and in my opinion the aren't very good, the 3 fiesta vans they had all had major issue after major issue. The manual gearboxes in those stood up well but pretty sure the ford and citroen boxes are different. Can only comment the air and fuel filters are a tad awkward to change too Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
