Better Turn In

[Guest smckeown]

Hi all,

 

I notice on a twisty track the amount i have to turn the steering wheel on my car is silly, nearly crossing arms.

 

I talked to SBC who dont tell quick racks any more, and advised me against such a conversion, and told me the power steering conversion is just so expensive.

 

So the other alternative was fitting a smaller (~310mm) steering wheel...

 

what do people think..will this do the trick ?

 

cheers

sean

[Guest Butler]

Can you not get the standard racks gearing adjusted?

 

I have power steering and was hoping to get a faster rack and retain the PAS.

[Hilgie 16 2 Cars]

PAS is about the quickest rack available (2.7 turns).

 

I have a PAS-rack with the PA removed

 

There were three variants:

 

Peugeot:

til 1988: 3,7 turns and large turning circle

from 1988: 3,5 turns a smaller turning circle

PAS-rack: 2.7 turns

 

SBC:

SBC-quickrack: 2.5 turns ?????

 

Cheers,

Hilgert

[Guest Joe_M]

Hi all,

 

I notice on a twisty track the amount i have to turn the steering wheel on my car is silly, nearly crossing arms.

 

I talked to SBC who dont tell quick racks any more, and advised me against such a conversion, and told me the power steering conversion is just so expensive.

 

So the other alternative was fitting a smaller (~310mm) steering wheel...

 

what do people think..will this do the trick ?

 

cheers

sean

Demon tweaks used to sell quick racks for most cars inc the 205 - think they are 2.5 turns & cost about £160 (ish) - I know I say this a lot but have a look in there motorsport cat. as they really do, do a lot of things.

[Guest Butler]

I'll keep the rack is as then if PAS is the quickest

[C_W 3 1 Cars]

A smaller steering wheel won't make it turn any more for the amount of steering wheel input.

 

There was a complete power steering rack kit on ebay a while back i thought of getting, even if i was only going to run it with the "power" bit disconnected.

 

Hilgie; is it heavier than standard steering with a PAS rack with the ram disconnected?

[TT205 42]

I've got the PAS rack, with no PAS and Yes it is fooking heavy

[Simes 248 2 Cars]

I've got the PAS rack, with no PAS and Yes it is fooking heavy

Is as heavy as a standard non-PAS rack?

[16v205 9]

ive got a tas quickrack. not sure on the ratio as i thought it was 2.4 but could be 2.5 lock to lock. It does make the steering alot heavier but makes the car more fun to drive

[Guest smckeown]

16v,

is there a web address for TAS, or contact details ?

Does it make a difference on track ?

sean

[Simes 248 2 Cars]

I remember a post a while back from Saveloy deeming the TAS rack utter crap.

[base-1 17]

irrelevant really: TAS went into receivership a while ago

[16v205 9]

16v,

is there a web address for TAS, or contact details ?

Does it make a difference on track ?

sean

I havnt got any details about the rack, i bought it off someone on the PSC. As for difference on track, it feels ok. Its a bit easier to catch slides but turn in and things dont really feel much different. Its not go-kart like anyway. Only thing i can think of really is if someone finds the original steering heavy then dont swap. The quickrack is much heavier than standard even when moving.

[Hilgie 16 2 Cars]

My "Quick-rack":

 

PAS completely removed, so it is about as heavy as a normal rack.

 

[Pugnut 9 1 Cars]

My "Quick-rack":

 

PAS completely removed, so it is about as heavy as a normal rack.

 

Hilgie, did you blank off the hydraulics or are they ok just to leave open?

[C_W 3 1 Cars]

I reckon you could just put caps in there to prevent dirt getting in. Someting like a grommet might do.

[jackherer 543]

I put exhaust tape over them initially as I wasn't sure if the hydraulic action would force air out or not but it doesn't so bolts the same thread as the hydraulic pipe unions would be fine although I've never actually got round to finding and fitting any....

[Guest wizek]

Doesn't any1 find play in there PAS rack?

 

I was told that (PAS Racks)although they are slightly quicker they do a bit of play in them compaired to Non-Pas racks.

 

Any truth in this ? Or is my rack just F!*k*d

[jackherer 543]

I've done a few unassisted pas racks now and they are all fine in terms of play...

[pug_ham 240 3 Cars]

I drove my car yesterday with the non-assisted pas quick rack & there was no play noticable with it fitted, can't see why there would be either. It is all still connected solidly so the shouldbn't be any slack.

 

I used to RTV sealent to blank the holes up where the hydraulic pipes went into the rack body.

 

The steering doesn't feel any different to a normal non-pas rack for weight IMO.

 

Graham.

[Hilgie 16 2 Cars]

I'm going to blank the holes off.

[Guest smckeown]

Hilgie,

 

The PAS Removed PAS Rack seems to be a good options then, are you going to offer this as a serives and charge for the upgrade, please say yes and where are you and can i have one fitted ?

 

Sean

[saveloy 8]

Non-PAS rack : 3.7 turns lock to lock

PAS rack : 3.2 turns lock to lock

Quick rack : 2.7 turns lock to lock.

Pity about TAS!!

[TT205 42]

I used to have a non PAS rack

 

Now I have a PAS rack and it is definately heavier on my car - bit like when your front tyre pressures are low - it's a fight to turn it at low speed

 

Dave

[pug_ham 240 3 Cars]

it's a fight to turn it at low speed

It'll be those delicate surgeon's hands Dave.

 

Graham.