jamie_1992 66 1 Cars Posted January 25, 2013 I've just got hold of a saxo vts for £400 and going to take the engine out and put it in my xs What gearbox would be the best as I'm after something that is similar to the xs gear box but think that the actual xs may be a bit weak for the new engine Also can I unlock the ecu by disconnection it while its running like the gti6 engines Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
calvinhorse 870 Posted January 25, 2013 I know there is a lot of talk of using 1.3 Rallye box' at the minute but in my own experience and it was common knowledge a few years back, a standard 16v will kill 2nd gear within weeks. What are the 1.4 furio (saxo) boxes like? I always liked mine as I remember? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ORB 227 1 Cars Posted January 25, 2013 My old VTS went through 5 new boxes in 4 years! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jamie_1992 66 1 Cars Posted January 25, 2013 so use the standard box you recon? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
calvinhorse 870 Posted January 25, 2013 No. I'd check out furio and xsi boxes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
c_robinson 8 1 Cars Posted January 25, 2013 The weakness lies with the box but is exploited by the driver. The boxes can be made to live a normal life. I've done 5 rallies and endless miles in a s1 rallye stage car and never had a gearbox problem. All MA boxes (106/saxo) suffer the same problem but it's as much driver induced than anything. BE4R from various citroens is the way to go, but not a cheap alternative Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tandoh 17 Posted January 25, 2013 A 205 xs box won't fit as the bell housing is different. I run a 106 1.1 box and its not too bad. S1 Rallye boxes are like hens, so you do pay the premium for it...iirc somewhere around £150. Disconnecting the ecu whilst the engine is running will successfully unlock it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jamie_1992 66 1 Cars Posted January 25, 2013 A 205 xs box won't fit as the bell housing is different. I run a 106 1.1 box and its not too bad. S1 Rallye boxes are like hens, so you do pay the premium for it...iirc somewhere around £150. Disconnecting the ecu whilst the engine is running will successfully unlock it do you run that 1.1 box on a road car am i right in thinking the 1.1 and 1.4 box are the same what car would you find a be4r in are the vtr and vts boxs the same? (i know lots of questions but i never really played around with gearbox and not sure what boxs are in what cars lol) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
calvinhorse 870 Posted January 25, 2013 A 205 xs box won't fit as the bell housing is different I've found this also but it's not all of them, just very early Tu xs boxes. My G-regs both had the standard bell housing but my F--reg was a different bell housing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lowercase 56 Posted January 25, 2013 check out AT speed racings 106 turbo. i remember reading that they went through loads of boxes and in the end settled on a citroen berlingo box or something like that as its stronger. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tandoh 17 Posted January 27, 2013 I used to use mine on the road with the 1.1 106 box. It was ok, as 2nd 3rd and 4th were all short, only slightly longer then a s2 Rallye box, and 5 was longer than the s2 Rallye box. Vts/gti and vtr boxes are different. Vtr box is the longest box avalible, and the gti/vts box is a bit shorter I believe. There is a gearbox guide on 106 moaners club that identifies the ratios. Hope that helps! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
calvinhorse 870 Posted January 27, 2013 Which boxes had the weak diffs? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
welshpug 1,626 Posted January 27, 2013 Any non sport box. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jamie_1992 66 1 Cars Posted February 17, 2013 could i use a standard vts clutch with a 106 1.1 gearbox and i asume i can use 205 drive shafts Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jamie_1992 66 1 Cars Posted February 20, 2013 been looking and i read that the s1 rally boxs are the same as a vts box apart from the final drive i have found a s1 box that has no sencond gear could i put the final drive from the s1 in the vts box Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
welshpug 1,626 Posted February 20, 2013 if its a sport box then it will be the same gear ratio's just varying FD's, as all sport ratios are the same, though a VTR is an exception to the rule, being non sport ratios. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jamie_1992 66 1 Cars Posted February 20, 2013 good thats what i wanted to know going to have a go at rebuilding a gearbox then any advice? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
c_robinson 8 1 Cars Posted February 20, 2013 there's a comprehensive guide on 106 rallye although you may need to be a paid member Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jamie_1992 66 1 Cars Posted February 20, 2013 thanks il have a look Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jamie_1992 66 1 Cars Posted February 23, 2013 will my 205 xs gearbox be upto the job or is it too weak for the engine? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites