S16 Gearbox To Suit Pull Type Clutch, How To?

[Carbs4me 45]

Hello All,

 

Im about to "Attempt" to change my BE1 Arm lever fork for my S16 setup to suit my 1989 205.

 

I had a quick look at both of my gearboxes last night, i dont understand how it fits to my S16 box. I will upload some pictures tonight when ive had another gander as such.

 

Basicly My BE1 gearbox has a rectangle opening in the side of the gearbox covered by 2 plastic caps gromets.. etc.

 

The S16 box seems to be diffrent with slated openings.

 

Is there a walk though on the forum anywhere for this? ive searched but cant find anything but not sure if im searching the correct "term"

 

Im looking at making a start on this tonight, and need some direction.

 

Cheers,

 

Anthony

[welshpug 1,623]

You can't fit the be1 push clutch 205 arrangement to the be3 gearbox which is a pull type, you need a be3 tye reaease bearung and the push type clutch shaft+arm, and a later be3 clutch cable

[Carbs4me 45]

So what your telling me is my what i believe is a BE1 (1600 reverse next to first) wont fit the S16 box i have

 

Is there a place where i can source these parts from as new?

 

Cheers,

 

Anthony

[welshpug 1,623]

yes, I thought that would be rather obvious from the lack of hole in the front of the bellhousing and that nobody on the forum has ever said it would fit.

 

either a pug or citroen dealer, or the parts for sale/wanted forum for the clutch shaft and arm, and your local motorfactor for the release bearing.

 

Neat auto's also have the clutch shaft+arm as a kit on ebay, you need the PUSH type not PULL.

[Anthony 1,000]

Or just leave the S16 'box with the original clutch arm/fork and run a matching S16/GTi-6 pull type clutch.

 

Been done a fair few times now and works well, just a bit of faffing with the clutch cable really. A search will reveal more I'm sure, but it's certainly an alternative to going down the more usual route of converting the gearbox to a push type clutch operation and running an 1.9 Mi16 clutch.

[Carbs4me 45]

i dont even think my S16 box has an arm fork/lever or what ever it is! where i presumed it was it isnt, and the clutch cable catch is attached to the box just no arm set out of it.

 

But! i will upload the pictures tonite before flapping about and get some pictures of my progress with the car, this is pretty much the last job before im gunna lift the engine in.

[welshpug 1,623]

Which engine are you running ? Sounds like you have a BE1 box fitted already to an 8 valver?

[Carbs4me 45]

Yeah thats right its fitted to a 1.9 8v currently and got myself a Mi16 engine that ive slowly rebuilt over the last year. Edit - which will be mated to the S16 box

Edited December 5, 2012 by Carbs4me

[pug_ham 240 3 Cars]

You can't fit the be1 push clutch 205 arrangement to the be3 gearbox which is a pull type, you need a be3 tye reaease bearung and the push type clutch shaft+arm, and a later be3 clutch cable

Actually, yes you can.

 

The 205 GTI I got last year had a Be3 1.9 gearbox fitted when I bought it but whoever fitted it had converted it to use the Be1 cable & clutch fork etc, god knows why but it can be done.

 

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[Anthony 1,000]

Later BE3 castings don't have the hole in the side that the BE1 clutch arm/fork goes through, and that sounds like the issue in this particular case on the S16 'box.

[welshpug 1,623]

yeah, I have one of the earliest S16 boxes out there, mid 1992, no hole

[Carbs4me 45]

Here is the pictures of the gearbox

 

 

 

this is the gearbox BE1 gearbox

 

[welshpug 1,623]

Hmm, got the code off the box? Looks different to my s16 boxes

[Carbs4me 45]

I will have to look into that tomorrow!

 

My garage is a 15min walk from here

[Miles 331 1 Cars]

That is a S16/Mi16 box, I would say around 1994 as that's when they had holes in the front.

 

But you need the cross shaft without a doubt

[Carbs4me 45]

Where can i buy these cross shafts from?

[Carbs4me 45]

Also...

 

I was wondering if this has something to do with the BE1 box (the shaft that goes from the gearstick) If it is i guess i wont need that anymore? i cant remember if my last 205 with a BE3 gearbox had one but if memory serves me right it didnt or i just cant remember it.

 

[Anthony 1,000]

You won't need the reverse lockout cable anymore, but you'll need the gear linkages.

 

Neat Autos do the clutch arm, fork and bushes for a reasonable price, as per Welshpug's reply further up the page.

[Carbs4me 45]

On their site there is nothing, infact they dont even have prices on their products everything is listed as £0.00 and ebay i cant find them even did a find member search as "neatautos" and "neatauto" and my search was clutch arm very few things came back apart from miles reconditioned S16 box he has listed on there.

Oh regarding the linkages i got a full set from Baker BM

[Anthony 1,000]

Hmmm, just checked on their eBay site and they don't appear to be listing the BE push type kit any more, only the BE pull type kit and one for an MA box. Odd, as they were up until very recently! It's "neatcarparts" on eBay btw.

[welshpug 1,623]

as above, can't see the correct one so you'd be best calling them.

 

there is this one, http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/211525-CLUTCH-FORK-KIT-FOR-205-306-309-405-406-605-806-1-6-1-8D-1-9D-2-0i-2-0HD-/330745854205

 

but its actually only £55 from a dealer, and neat had them nearer £35-40.

 

you need part # 2115 25