Car Turns Over But Wont Start! Help

[Collier 0]

Hi,

 

I have just had the head gasket and cambelt changed on my 205 gti 1.9..

 

The car turns over but will not start

 

Everything is back together the timing is correct..

 

We have Spark and Fuel.. But the plugs are dry..

 

We disconnected the injectors.. to find they were not numbered and now we have however many combinations of 1234 that they could be to get the car to fire..

 

Does anyone know an easier way? and do the injectors definately have to be plugged in a certain combination to fire? or should it fire in any combination?

[Miles 331 1 Cars]

They plug on anyway you want, You should find the wires thou will sit better in the original position thou

[mikeygulley 19 1 Cars]

have you tried removing the injector rail and turning the car over to make sure they are 'squirting' fuel? I had the same problem once and I guess when I did the head gasket and left them for a while they got stuck, I had some spare injectors and it ran fine.

[Collier 0]

OKay so there is no order for the injectors..

 

Now it is a mystery.. I will try that with injector rail..

 

There is fuel as when you undo the fuel pipe petrol squirts out.. and have checked every plug and they all spark..

 

There is no immobiliser or anything..

 

Confused? Are there any Vital Earths Or plugs that will let it turn over but not start?

[Miles 331 1 Cars]

Fuel lines around the right way>?

[ljenkins22 0]

Hi,

 

I have just had the head gasket and cambelt changed on my 205 gti 1.9..

 

The car turns over but will not start

 

Everything is back together the timing is correct..

 

We have Spark and Fuel.. But the plugs are dry..

 

We disconnected the injectors.. to find they were not numbered and now we have however many combinations of 1234 that they could be to get the car to fire..

 

Does anyone know an easier way? and do the injectors definately have to be plugged in a certain combination to fire? or should it fire in any combination?

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why was the head gasket changed in the first place, i would be getting a compression test on it first, make sure its not losing compression through the rings, if you are having a spark and fuel to the injectors, and as you say the timing is correct then it wouyld seem there is only one thing left

[Collier 0]

Headgasket changed because it was burning oil and taking water and smoking badly! It was still turning over and starting before head gasket was done, so there no reasons why it shouldnt start after?

[Collier 0]

UPDATE..

 

These Cars really are full of problems..

 

So i put more fuel in it was turning over and almost firing.. The exhaust was banging and smoking nearly starting..

 

Then i turned the key and nothing.. Wont even turn over just silent when u turn key str8 forward..

 

Its NOT a flat battery..

 

And then do top my day off we turned the key and its snapped in half in the ignition Barrell..

 

So i have had all this work done to it.. it won't turn over or fire.. The key is stuck in the barrel in the off position.. And the starter motors probably broke..

 

Any ideas on anything would be helpful cheers guys!

Edited May 7, 2011 by Collier

[dcc 855]

Have you checked your fuel pump?

 

mine had a dry joint on it before i bought it, and cut out when we were on the test drive, started for a few milliseconds and then stopped

 

double check your fuel pump is working by lifting up the rear seats and trying to listen for it priming

 

triple check your engine bay handy work, its something you have doen that has upset the car, I'd suggest making sure the starter has a decent feed, making sure all sensors are plugged in, make sure the AFM is correctly attached.

 

Take it all from the start and reconnect them with it all clean

[Collier 0]

Have you checked your fuel pump?

 

mine had a dry joint on it before i bought it, and cut out when we were on the test drive, started for a few milliseconds and then stopped

 

double check your fuel pump is working by lifting up the rear seats and trying to listen for it priming

 

triple check your engine bay handy work, its something you have doen that has upset the car, I'd suggest making sure the starter has a decent feed, making sure all sensors are plugged in, make sure the AFM is correctly attached.

 

Take it all from the start and reconnect them with it all clean

 

Yea can here fuel pump its really loud.. all plugs are connected.. its got nearly half a tank of fuel.. it turns over and the exhaust bangs and smokes but dnoo just trying to advance and retard the dizzy till its spot on and starts..

[Pugs in Pieces 0]

if the exhaust bangs and somkes it sounds like the ignition timing is out possibly, is the firing order correct?

[Collier 0]

I got told there is no combination for the ignition?

 

Or do u mean the timing on the dizzy advance and retarding it til it fires?

 

The firing order on the ht leads yes. thats correct. i was told there is no order for the ignition leads.

[ORB 227 1 Cars]

There DEFFO is a firing order for the ignition leads!

 

Thats why it is popping back through the exhaust!

[smithy 1]

that will be your problem there was a thread showing lead order on dizzy cap but no search so cannot find,i am going to mess with mine now so will take a piccy PM me with email addy if you want me to email you showing the order.

[S@m 156]

I got told there is no combination for the ignition?

 

Or do u mean the timing on the dizzy advance and retarding it til it fires?

 

The firing order on the ht leads yes. thats correct. i was told there is no order for the ignition leads.

 

 

You were told there is no order for the injector plugs,which there isn't, not the ignition leads. The ignition leads/HT leads are the same thing and definetly have an order!!!

 

Sam

[Pugs in Pieces 0]

that will be the problem!! Doh

[ORB 227 1 Cars]

If it helps, firing order is 1-3-4-2 (from flywheel end) dizzy runs anti-clockwise.

 

To make it even easier (without insulting anyones intelligence)

 

Find pot 1's tdc (Wooden spoon in plug hole works) and line rotor arm to a point on the dizzy cap. Put leads on in order.

 

Done

[Collier 0]

It is not the ht leads they are correct..

 

Its not the AFM thats brand new..

 

Its not the belt that is timed correctly..

 

We have fuel, Spark but just wont fire..

 

Any more ideas?

[ORB 227 1 Cars]

It is not the ht leads they are correct..

 

Its not the AFM thats brand new..

 

Its not the belt that is timed correctly..

 

We have fuel, Spark but just wont fire..

 

Any more ideas?

 

 

I would be forced to still say timing is incorrect. The popping back in the manifold is a sure sign.

 

and I bet your plugs are wet after a cranking session?

[Collier 0]

Ok we have been looking over the car there was no ign + live on all the injectors traced live wire to purple wire which all 4 go to a light blue inside the harness which then goes into cabin to a brown multiplug I checked continuity from here to all injectors and spot on so no break in wire does anyone know if this feed is from a relay etc? Any info be a great help?

[Redtop 14 2 Cars]

Ok we have been looking over the car there was no ign + live on all the injectors traced live wire to purple wire which all 4 go to a light blue inside the harness which then goes into cabin to a brown multiplug I checked continuity from here to all injectors and spot on so no break in wire does anyone know if this feed is from a relay etc? Any info be a great help?

 

Yes that will be the tachametric [sp] relay. It's black and should be located beside your ecu under the dash in the drivers side, if your car is a phase 1.5 or 2. Im not sure if it is somewhere else on a phase 1 as some ting can be different. They can give problems sometimes.

[smithy 1]

check the plugs are pushed fully in to the shunt box just in front of battery,one of them is for the feed to tachy relay contact so without it the relay can energise but put nothing out.Had same issue with mine once and the one plug was not fully in,also check the fuses in shunt box i have found the spade connectors can go loose and cause poor connection.

Edited May 14, 2011 by smithy

[Collier 0]

Its not a relay.. Its not the shunt box.. Its no the AFM..

 

Its got fuel..

 

injectors are squirting fuel..

 

Its got Spark...

 

Turning over just will not fire..

 

Any 205gti specialists around yorkshire ? i will pay you to fix it?

[Kieran133 0]

Hi mate did you ever fix this problem - I have exactly the same problem.