matt205xs 0 Posted April 18, 2006 im currently sorting out my mi track car, and have been looking at getting an oil cooler for it, wht size would i get away with on a 205?? also do the sandwich plates come in a kit form for the specified engine or are they universal? thanks Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kate205gti 4 Posted April 18, 2006 (edited) ive kept the standard one but several ppl run with no cooler at all as the standard one is as good as none lol i dont think the oil in mis get too hot generally - its more the surge issue! but im still after a mocal job when i find some money somewhere Edited April 18, 2006 by kate205gti Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matt205xs 0 Posted April 18, 2006 is there any difference between the 1.9 stndard one and the mocals?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
d-9 0 Posted April 18, 2006 Have a look at this thread: http://forum.205gtidrivers.com/index.php?showtopic=57536 Pretty sure the sandwich plates are universal, they definitly should be from the design of them, as long as theres space to fit it in where the oil filter goes. Ive got an oil cooler on my current mi, but will probably be taking it off soon as Im trying to get rid of things that can leak and I never had overheating issues. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
petert 554 Posted April 18, 2006 wht size would i get away with on a 205?? It depends on how hard you go, but I'd recommend 13 row minimum. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tom_m 0 Posted April 18, 2006 Pretty sure the sandwich plates are universal, they definitly should be from the design of them, as long as theres space to fit it in where the oil filter goes. they're not, the pug sandwich plate has smaller diameter connections to the mocal one. the kit mocal supply has 1/2in bsp fittings. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jonmurgie 2 Posted April 18, 2006 I don't run an oil cooler (or a finned sump) on my track Mi16 and don't get any issues after 20 minutes of spirited track driving Just get a 'medium' size cooler that you can fit nicely somewhere... not too big though as you don't want the oil too cold! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tom_m 0 Posted April 18, 2006 sounds like a ten row with an oil stat sandwich plate from mocal might be the best idea then Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anthony 1,000 Posted April 18, 2006 I find that the finned alloy sump does a far better job of cooling the oil than the waste of space that is the standard 1.9 air/oil cooler and means you've got less oil pipes to potentially leak. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matt205xs 0 Posted April 18, 2006 how much is an alloy sump?? also what would this be lik ein the winter when oil wont need cooling, will it be to cold? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sandy 189 Posted April 18, 2006 (edited) Over cooling the oil can cause immediate engine damage, overheating it reduces the service life of the oil (above 130C), the latter just means change the oil if it gets very hot. If you're determined to spend money on your oil system, get a decent temperature gauge and KNOW if you need to cool it, rather than at best wasting money, at worst creating a prolem by over-cooling. Oil stats usually resrict flow to the cooler, so it still has an effect at low temperatures and the restriction puts extra load on the pump. The oil-water cooler i've found heats up the oil faster and keeps the temp up when cruising, which is more useful to engine life than a very very occasional cooling in extreme conditions you probably won't encounter anyway!! Edited April 18, 2006 by sandy309 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
d-9 0 Posted April 18, 2006 any recommendations for oil gauges? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jonnie205 1 Posted April 18, 2006 My advise is you do need a cooler. I have the oil temp right up on the guage with my track mi with about 5 laps of rockingham. The 8v air cooler dont seem to do all that much but it does mean you can get more oil in the system and have a bit of air cooling whcih cant do any harm. An all alloy mocal is what i have now gone for. A road car would prob be fine with no cooler however Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sandy 189 Posted April 18, 2006 But what temperature is "right up on the guage", because unless you have a calibrated gauge, you just don't know. Most standard oil temp gauges top out around 100-110C, which is still a huge amount of energy away from danger. I like the SPA gauges Doug, but the are costly! Racetech are a decent cheaper alternative. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matt205xs 0 Posted April 19, 2006 i have decided to go the mocal route, ordering from tweeks tomorrow Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jonmurgie 2 Posted April 19, 2006 I think you might find Think Automotive a little cheaper than Tweaks and they are the official Mocal distributor http://www.thinkauto.co.uk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matt205xs 0 Posted April 20, 2006 ahh but its who you know there who gives you good discounts.... plus i only live 10 minutes away from there, cheers anyways Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Higgy 0 Posted April 21, 2006 I've been running my Mi since December with no oil cooler (do have al sump though) and its been fine. Only been used for fast road driving no track work. I noticed that the Citroen ZX 1.9 diesel (non-turbo) I just gave my mum has a Mi style cooler fitted, probably the same one. Higgy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
