205 S16 - Suspension Ideas?

[Revla 2]

Hi,

 

I'm currently running standard shocks on SBC roadspeed springs for my

205 S16, but it is not good on bumpy roads due to that extra weight......

 

What weight springs does the 306 S16 run as standard?

 

So I may go for Gaz coilvers, but they have 225lbs springs from memory, which

may be too hard for everyday road use (so what is a good weight to go for?).

I only run the car about 25mm lower than standard as I believe this aids handling.

 

Miles is currently waiting on some bilstein bits, so may wait for him to get back to me

 

Can anyone give any advice?

 

Cheers in advance.

 

Trev

[jackherer 543]

my mates 205 S16 has gaz coilovers and its his daily driver.

[Jonmurgie 2]

If you order the Gaz direct from them you will be able to spec up whatever rate spring you like...

 

Personally though, I'd highly recommend the AST shocks that I have fitted on my 205... simply stunning how much better than the Peugeot Sport GrpA Bilsteins they are! Not the cheapest shock on the market but by far the best IMO, and with the full support and backup of Powerstation you can have then setup however you like.

[Powers 13]

If you dont mind me asking, how much did the AST setup cost?

Cheers.

[rich_w 0]

If you dont mind me asking, how much did the AST setup cost?

Cheers.

 

http://www.astsuspensionuk.com/sport.asp?catalog=2012

 

£820+VAT

 

I would love to know what its like compared to the 750quid gaz kit thats been mentioned on here...

 

edit: forgot the cheaper stuff:

 

http://www.astsuspensionuk.com/tuning.asp?catalog=1012

 

£606+VAT

Edited January 31, 2006 by rich_w

[Butler 0]

Hi,

 

I'm currently running standard shocks on SBC roadspeed springs for my

205 S16, but it is not good on bumpy roads due to that extra weight......

 

 

Its probably the shocks that are the problem, not the springs. Standard and worn shocks(if there original) will be under damped for the extra spring rate of your sbc springs and with the extra weight.

[Jonmurgie 2]

I'm going to be looking into maybe sorting a Group Buy of the AST's in the near future... if we can get the interest up, they will be a decent amount less than £820 + VAT

 

The £606 ones lists on their site have actually been discontinued, as has that entire range, AST are now concentrating on the Sportline range. A new AST website will be launced soon with lots more info...

[Revla 2]

Its probably the shocks that are the problem, not the springs. Standard and worn shocks(if there original) will be under damped for the extra spring rate of your sbc springs and with the extra weight.

 

Butler,

 

Yes they are original Peugeot shocks, but brand new last year..... I'd like to use the SBC springs still if I don't go for 'coilovers' like the Gaz, or maybe AVO's....or maybe what Miles suggests when he knows prices etc.

 

Coilovers would be better though as I could have adjustable top mounts to gain some extra camber if necessary?

 

Cheers

 

Trevor

 

my mates 205 S16 has gaz coilovers and its his daily driver.

 

Not too harsh then?????????? And how does it handle?

I assume he's running the 225 springs?

Edited January 31, 2006 by Revla

[jackherer 543]

Not too harsh then?????????? And how does it handle?

I assume he's running the 225 springs?

 

its not too harsh no, its worse in the drivers bucket seat, in the standard passenger seat its perfectly acceptable. as for handling, its very impressive, even on some pretty rough roads with the rear shocks on two clicks from hardest. I expected it to be bad on rough roads, especially as it is currently far too low.

 

tbh I dont know for sure if he has the 225 springs, the coilovers were on the car when he bought it, but I did look through the receipts and I'm pretty sure it was just a standard kit bought through rally design or somewhere similar.

[Miles 331 1 Cars]

Our Coil Over Billies have taken a step forward now, So all being well I should have some news soon,

Failing that I can offer the std Dia spring platfrom with Billy inserts and a higher rate spring

AST is very good stuff, I have this on my Race car and cannot fault it, Avo are fine but I have come across a few that leak after a while and not just Pug ones.

Gaz I would avoid,

[engine killer 6]

dear all,

 

how would you compare the two below. AST's coilover is height and bump/rebound adjustable but the AVO is fully height, fast bump, slow bump and rebound adjustable. have heard the build quality of the AVO is really not that good, any comment?

 

thanks.

 

 

http://www.astsuspensionuk.co.uk/sport.asp?catalog=2012

 

http://www.avouk.com/pm/120

[veloce200 3]

dear all,

 

how would you compare the two below. AST's coilover is height and bump/rebound adjustable but the AVO is fully height, fast bump, slow bump and rebound adjustable. have heard the build quality of the AVO is really not that good, any comment?

 

thanks.

 

AVO is a lot more money. They're quite new to monotube design but they've done a lot of testing in rallying. Was going to sell them but TBH very few people want to spend that much on dampers. For racing 3 way adjustable is great but you'd need to spend a lot of time testing to get the best from it. AST stuff looks good - it's principle advantage of Gaz/Leda would be that it is monotube but then that is why it is more pricey.

 

Miles you say avoid Gaz, any reason why? Use this on my track project (trying to see the difference each mod makes with a sprint to test - will be a site page soon - should be good info for those starting out to see where to spend the money) and it's excellent. Gaz have had issues in past but now Dave Lyons is there (ledas ex Tech Dev chap) their kit is more like a cheaper Leda kit. In fact the base adjust struts look remarkably similar. I've only had good feedback from customers who've bought Gaz. And in fact although everyone slates Spax we sell loads of it and again only good feedback (again they went through a bad patch). Although granted RSX kit for the pug lowers the car too much at the front. Billies are great,no doubt about that, just a shame they don't make an adjustable one for the Pug.

 

Revla what do you intend to use the car for? If it's mainly road use then having adjustables is not necessary and Billies are a good choice, maybe you could get some valved for 200lb springs to give you a better ride.

 

 

Jon is right as a Gaz dealer we can spec up any spring. The Gaz kit I sell is a special I developed with them. Do they really sell direct? Maybe I should reconsider being a dealer ! Makes life twice as hard when you have to compete with the hand that feeds We've sold no Leda in a year because they don't support their dealers. (violins..!)

[Revla 2]

Revla what do you intend to use the car for? If it's mainly road use then having adjustables is not necessary and Billies are a good choice, maybe you could get some valved for 200lb springs to give you a better ride.

 

Yeah, mainly just an every day road car.....

[rich_w 0]

Do they really sell direct? Maybe I should reconsider being a dealer ! Makes life twice as hard when you have to compete with the hand that feeds

 

I would read the gaz group buy thread, it might cheer you up a bit

[Miles 331 1 Cars]

I know a guy who's been into suspension design for more years than I;ve been alive, He's done all sorts of Supercars for GT racing etc and has got good results, His knowledge baffle's me so I take his advice which to date has never been wrong, The thing I find odd about the Gaz they use rather hard spring rates compared with other dampers, No idea why but would like to know.

I would say Spax are OK and we sell there stuff to, Really helpful and good product knowledge which always helps

But after seeing my Business partners Penskie's well....

[Revla 2]

I know a guy who's been into suspension design for more years than I;ve been alive, He's done all sorts of Supercars for GT racing etc and has got good results, His knowledge baffle's me so I take his advice which to date has never been wrong, The thing I find odd about the Gaz they use rather hard spring rates compared with other dampers, No idea why but would like to know.

I would say Spax are OK and we sell there stuff to, Really helpful and good product knowledge which always helps

But after seeing my Business partners Penskie's well....

 

I'll wait until you get back to me on the Bilsteins then, as I agree with the Gaz and hard springs.

 

I may go to my local weighbridge to get the axle weights if this helps?

[Rippthrough 98]

, maybe you could get some valved for 200lb springs to give you a better ride.

 

 

Does anyone heve the values for the standard Pug spring setups?

[Revla 2]

Does anyone heve the values for the standard Pug spring setups?

 

Its really low from memory, around 60-70lbs it think... way soft!

[jackherer 543]

Jon is right as a Gaz dealer we can spec up any spring. The Gaz kit I sell is a special I developed with them. Do they really sell direct? Maybe I should reconsider being a dealer ! Makes life twice as hard when you have to compete with the hand that feeds We've sold no Leda in a year because they don't support their dealers. (violins..!)

 

Brian Gazzard is scared of upsetting his dealers by selling direct and just wasted my time when I tried to arrange a group buy. However he doesnt understand how the internet works cos hes quite happy to bash them out on ebay all day long starting at £250 (username is monster suspension or something) :S

 

 

I would read the gaz group buy thread, it might cheer you up a bit

 

some people still dont get this, if you speak to brian gazzard directly and offer him about 250 he *will* sell you a kit directly. but if he thinks it might get back to a dealer (ie via a group buy) thern he will laugh you off.

[Rippthrough 98]

Brian Gazzard is scared of upsetting his dealers by selling direct and just wasted my time when I tried to arrange a group buy. However he doesnt understand how the internet works cos hes quite happy to bash them out on ebay all day long starting at £250 (username is monster suspension or something) :S

some people still dont get this, if you speak to brian gazzard directly and offer him about 250 he *will* sell you a kit directly. but if he thinks it might get back to a dealer (ie via a group buy) thern he will laugh you off.

 

Good, cheap bits for a change.

The chavs will still buy from a dealer, and there's enough of them to keep anyone happy.

[keith 0]

i suppose the s16's extra 15 odd kg makes your car undrivable, lol.

 

mines is absolutely fine. if anything feels better than my old alloy block mi

[Revla 2]

i suppose the s16's extra 15 odd kg makes your car undrivable, lol.

 

mines is absolutely fine. if anything feels better than my old alloy block mi

 

Not at all.... just doesn't feel right, but was OK with the standard GTi lump.

[keith 0]

what bhp is your car making? i see your spec list is pretty high and looks good?

 

my s16 is on the bilsiten streetline kit (?) yellow ones anyway, seems to handle pretty well.

 

i see you have the s16 exhaust manifold, did that take any work to fit?

Edited February 1, 2006 by keith

[veloce200 3]

Brian Gazzard is scared of upsetting his dealers by selling direct and just wasted my time when I tried to arrange a group buy. However he doesnt understand how the internet works cos hes quite happy to bash them out on ebay all day long starting at £250 (username is monster suspension or something) :S

some people still dont get this, if you speak to brian gazzard directly and offer him about 250 he *will* sell you a kit directly. but if he thinks it might get back to a dealer (ie via a group buy) thern he will laugh you off.

 

 

I see well in that case they can jump in a lake ! If that's GFR233A the fixed height kit that's cheaper than we can buy it ! I was kind of hoping I might be able to "broker" a better deal for anyone on 205 GTI drivers.

 

 

Good, cheap bits for a change.

The chavs will still buy from a dealer, and there's enough of them to keep anyone happy.

 

 

this comment baffles me? I don't think I've sold to a single "chav" if it's possible to tell from the cars our customers drive and the way they speak. Distribution of nearly every product relys on dealers and intermediaries. You would not believe the amount of legwork I put in to a sale if necessary. Way more than Gaz would do for example. I've worked out spring rates, wheels rates and frequencies which none of the big manufacturers will do - they don't have time and thats why they normally sell through dealers. Granted if a dealer doesn't add value they are a waste of space but I can't see why "chavs" prefer dealers? Maybe I've got my marketing all wrong and I shouldn't be providing products at a low price with excellent service (try us out if you don't believe me ...0845 226 3717) but rather should sell burberry liveried coilover kits that lower a minimum of 80mm?

[Rippthrough 98]

I see well in that case they can jump in a lake ! If that's GFR233A the fixed height kit that's cheaper than we can buy it ! I was kind of hoping I might be able to "broker" a better deal for anyone on 205 GTI drivers.

this comment baffles me? I don't think I've sold to a single "chav" if it's possible to tell from the cars our customers drive and the way they speak. Distribution of nearly every product relys on dealers and intermediaries. You would not believe the amount of legwork I put in to a sale if necessary. Way more than Gaz would do for example. I've worked out spring rates, wheels rates and frequencies which none of the big manufacturers will do - they don't have time and thats why they normally sell through dealers. Granted if a dealer doesn't add value they are a waste of space but I can't see why "chavs" prefer dealers? Maybe I've got my marketing all wrong and I shouldn't be providing products at a low price with excellent service (try us out if you don't believe me ...0845 226 3717) but rather should sell burberry liveried coilover kits that lower a minimum of 80mm?

 

 

To be honest, I think you're onto a blinder there. Burbeery springs with chorome struts would sell like hot cakes!