Gti6 Non Pas Setup 'tensioner Shat Its Pants'

[Roon 29 1 Cars]

Basically after 6 days of owning the car back In January the alternator died. So payed good money at a garage for a new bosch unit and tensioner and belt. 6 days after that i had a whirring noise coming from it almost like a supercharger.

 

Took it back and got a load of billy bulls*it saying oh yeah thats the tensioner. Well yes i payed you to replace that as you would do when replacing a belt. Had it looked at by others and told the belt is way overtighted which is what i thought.

 

But this morning i developed a horrific noise. The bearings have collapsed on the tensioner so its not really usable as it will come off.

 

But i have no idea what setup i am running as i did not carry out the conversion and previous owner is a total wanker! I have No PAS

 

Here are some pics if anyone can help me with what tensioner i need and what belt i will be so great full.

 

 

 

 

 

If more specific pics are needed let me know. Thanks Paul

[ORB 227 1 Cars]

Looks like a cam belt tensioner to me

[chris-gti 14]

I asked similar questions the other day as i'm about to start my GTI-6 conversion, I would try to answer but see:

 

http://forum.205gtidrivers.com/index.php?showtopic=149010

 

seems like you have the timing belt tensioner pulley option described.

[Roon 29 1 Cars]

what i thought.

 

Ah yes that looks exactly like my setup. So i have the belt part number, but does anyone know what tensioner that is?

 

I have a ramp and garage i can use today if i can get everything!

 

Thanks for the quick replies

[ORB 227 1 Cars]

I would take it off ASAP and take it to ECP and show them.

[Roon 29 1 Cars]

Drove 10 miles home like that. Scared me to death. Who is ECP buddy?

 

Seen in chipsticks thread that he uses GTI6 tensioner so think thats what ill order up. Has exact setup as mine.

[ORB 227 1 Cars]

Euro Car Parts

[welshpug 1,626]

i think miles commented theyre a bit wide as you can see, an 8 valve xu tensioner I think is the same diameter but narrower, probably cheaper too.

[Paul_13 212 1 Cars]

Looks like the gti 6 136tooth cambelt tensioner to me

 

You will need a sump plug key to tension it by the way

[chipstick 382 1 Cars]

Looks like the gti 6 136tooth cambelt tensioner to me

You will need a sump plug key to tension it by the way

I didn't with mine. I just did the M8 bolt hand tight so it was still adjustable and popped a screwdriver or similar through the hole and added tension while nipping up the bolt.

[Paul_13 212 1 Cars]

Fair enough everyone had their own way of doing it. Found it easier on mine as the water pipe was in the way

[Roon 29 1 Cars]

Ordered up the belt finding it hard to get the tensioner tho not being in stock and easter weekend. Where can i get the sump plug key to tighten it?

 

Great information here people. Anyone have the part number for tensioner?

[welshpug 1,626]

looks like the tu tensioner pulley is the same so readily available

 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/TIMING-CAM-BELT-TENSIONER-PEUGEOT-205-1-0-1-1-1-3-1-4-87-98-1-6-1-9-GTI-92-98-/300872201000

 

check those dimensions are suitgable, but dont buy it from there, gsf add an "ebay premium" its cheaper on the website and even cheaper instore.

[Roon 29 1 Cars]

Ah that does look very similar welsh and cheap!

 

Other seller will only sell entire kit which is around 50 quid!

Edited March 30, 2013 by Roon

[chris-gti 14]

I would say pretty much any tensioner will work as long as it's M8 bolt and the same off centre style.

[ORB 227 1 Cars]

A quick tensioning tool can be made with a 6mm Allen key, file flats onto opposing sides and jobs jobbed

[Roon 29 1 Cars]

Been on the phone to GSF Very helpfull guy.

 

1.6/1.9 looks almost identical to 306. Part number is exactly the same bar 1 digit.

 

Part number is IA531003310 for gti6 engine.

Part number is IA531003210 for 1.6/1.9 engine.

 

Dimensions seem almost the same bar the width so could work? However they had neither in stock

 

Getting there lol!

[chris-gti 14]

pop a wanted up for a second hander just to get you going, surely someone near you has one kicking about in their bits bins that'll get you going. might be worth a trip round a local garage if they are open just to see if they have anything.

[Miles 331 1 Cars]

As said better off with a TU/late XU 8v tensioner, half the width. This is around the most common way of doing the belt

[Roon 29 1 Cars]

at the garage now, payed 109 pounds for the cambelt kit from pug. Was the only person to have one everywhere else said no. Friend dropped off his old xu8 tensioners. I see what you

mean about it being better as half tyhe width however there is no hole to tighten it up. Anybody got any pics to illistrate. As Pug said i can bring it back to them.

 

drove the 6 miles here and tensioner had come so far off it had started to cut into the water pipe making a nice smell.

[Roon 29 1 Cars]

Right so a few pictures from my mad mad day.

 

When i got to my best mates garage all we could smell was burning and didn't sound healthy either.

 

Car up we discover tensioner came right away only held on by rubbing on the water pipe!!! All bearings somewhere in a sleepy village!

 

We wanted to work out why it had failed so badly and so quickly and we discovered that the belt even with the tensioner off was still tight as hell you could budge it!!

Belt was also one tooth to thin so not making full contact! We get it off and compare it to the proper belt the 6pk700 and its miles shorter and obviously a lot thinner.

 

So cut it off and within 20 seconds new correct belt on all tensioned up proper not insanely tight. So having fixed it in sub 10 mins we decided to fit my brand new gaz to replace the bodged Spax on the rear giving me horrible ride handling and constant thudding!

 

Again this took 10 mins to our suprise so yeah i love 205's lol.

Ill let the pictures show productiveness.

Again thanks to everyone with their help and input without it id have not had a working car on my drive! Really appreciated

 

 

What was left

 

 

All new and shiny

 

 

Crappy Spax

 

 

Bushes had insane play like silly! thus the understeer floaty arse and annoying thud thud thud!!

 

This is the scale of the 'mechanic's' skill. He is the sort of person who would sell his Mother!

 

These were the washers we could be bothered to pick up just WHY!!!!

 

 

No play and look at home!

 

 

But totally worth it for the Mint shell.!

[Miles 331 1 Cars]

The spax one should have a tapered bush in them which are quite often lost or if sold on not sold with the damper, To be honest I'd have those over the Gaz's all day long

 

Worth sorting the brake line out too, looks twisted far too much

 

Pic of the 205 cambelt tensioner as on google

 

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=205+cam+belt+tensioner&hl=en&rlz=1C1SKPC_enGB375&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=7m1XUfnDD4SU0AXqlYGoBA&ved=0CAoQ_AUoAQ&biw=1440&bih=795#imgrc=VFWVFg9aN1_4RM%3A%3B4a8vjqTkKHBDtM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fimg.weiku.com%252Fwaterpicture%252F2011%252F10%252F27%252F0%252FSeries_auto_engine_timing_belt_tensioner_for_peugeot_106_205_206_305_306_307_309_405_406_car_oem_engine_tensioner_pulley__634556719003414138_4.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.weiku.com%252Fproducts%252F9203463%252FSeries_auto_engine_timing_belt_tensioner_for_peugeot_106_205_206_305_306_307_309_405_406_car_oem_engine_tensioner_pulley_.html%3B414%3B421

Edited March 30, 2013 by Miles

[petert 554]

A lot of people bag out Gaz on here. One person even said he'd rather push his 205 then fit Gaz. Yet Colin Satchell seems to make them work ok on his very competitive 205? We don't have them down under, so I don't really understand their reputation one way or the other.