Phase 1.5 Engine Swap Into A Phase 2.... Anything I Need To Be Aware O

[lapr 4 2 Cars]

Hi all,

Wondering if you could help me out a bit please??

I have an L plate miami blue 1.9 gti, is ok but the engine is starting to show signs of its age....

So..... Having a bright idea at the time, I purchased a written off 1.9 that I'd known for years, this being an H plate.

The reason for buying this hurt little pug was that, sat in the engine bay is a fairly freshly re built engine with a few little tweeks.... Cat cam, 4 branch manifold etc etc.

Here comes my questions......

Is there any difference's that could cause problems? (Apart from the cat...)

Anything to look out for?

I'm planning to drop the engine and gearbox in 1 lump if I can as it has a new clutch and re built box sat in it too!

Any help you guys can give will be highly appreciated!

Thanks!

[ORB 227 1 Cars]

Yours will be different management me thinks?

 

Plastic Manifold and a cat??

[lapr 4 2 Cars]

Yours will be different management me thinks?

 

Plastic Manifold and a cat??

Thats the 1....

Could I not just use the other ecu from the doner car??

[dcc 855]

if it were me - id fit everything from the donor - loom etc...

 

i think you dont have to have a cat in the car if the engine is precat, even if the shell was a cat fitted one.

 

best bet before you do that is have a look on line or even visit an mot tester.

[lapr 4 2 Cars]

if it were me - id fit everything from the donor - loom etc...

 

i think you dont have to have a cat in the car if the engine is precat, even if the shell was a cat fitted one.

 

best bet before you do that is have a look on line or even visit an mot tester.

Was hoping not to touch the loom if I could help it.....

Is it not possible to swap the ecu's over then and leave the '93' loom intact?

[ORB 227 1 Cars]

no

[welshpug 1,626]

No, the looms are different, however the other loom should plug straight in, you may need to swap a wire or two around in the plugs.

 

It will actually run quite well on Motronic, though I'm unsure how it copes with cams, Mine is a newer Motronic than yours and has no AFM, seems to cope well enough, depends what cam and other work has been done.

Edited January 6, 2013 by welshpug

[lapr 4 2 Cars]

no

Ok..... Why not?

Sorry to sound thick, but this is my first engine swap.... Maybe a bit nieve!!!

[lapr 4 2 Cars]

No, the looms are different, however the other loom should plug straight in, you may need to swap a wire or two around in the plugs.

Story of my life, nothings ever straight forward!!!

Thought I'd found an easier and cheaper route than a re build......

[dcc 855]

it is very easy to swap the looms

[lapr 4 2 Cars]

No, the looms are different, however the other loom should plug straight in, you may need to swap a wire or two around in the plugs.

 

It will actually run quite well on Motronic, though I'm unsure how it copes with cams, Mine is a newer Motronic than yours and has no AFM, seems to cope well enough, depends what cam and other work has been done.

 

I have paper work from a well known pug specialist but all that says is that its had a full re build with gas flowed head and cat cam??

The bloke I bought it from told me it was a stage 2 or 3 running approx 150bhp?? Seeing it when it was on the road, I belived him, it was rapid!!

As I said I've known the car for many years, even owning it for a short time in early 2000, a few owners later and when it got sold to the chap I got it off, it was tired to say the least..... Even tho it only had 92k original miles on it! The work was carried out at 94k at the cost of nearly 4 grand and now sits on 101k..... Hurt and awaiting its new home!

[lapr 4 2 Cars]

it is very easy to swap the looms

Really???

Doesnt look too easy to me......

[Miles 331 1 Cars]

Leave it on Motronic, It stands a better chance on that compared to Jetronic which doesn't like anything other than a 270 degree cam, 150bhp isn;t out of this world but I doubt it is on the Std ECU

 

You'll have loads of issue's come MOT time, try and prove the engine is earlier than the car isn;t easy

Edited January 6, 2013 by Miles

[Baz 421]

What does 'stage 2/3' actually mean then?! If that's on standard management & inlet it'll not be 150bhp or anywhere near.

[lapr 4 2 Cars]

What does 'stage 2/3' actually mean then?! If that's on standard management & inlet it'll not be 150bhp or anywhere near.

Your guess is as good as mine.... Doesnt particually bother me the power out put to be honest, its just a freshend up engine in my eyes! Alot better than whats in it!

If it turns out to be a bit tasty then its a brucie bonus!

This particular company had stated to him that it would be running between 150bhp and 160bhp when it left them.... I'm no expert on this or on the details of getting to that figure but I do know it is bloody quick!

I have tried contacting the company a few times to find out exactley what was done.... Can never get thro tho!

[lapr 4 2 Cars]

Also, my 93 one has PAS, what would be the story with that? Is that a straight forward conversion to get the earlier engine to accomidate this?

Should of done my homework before buying really!

Live and learn and all that......

[ORB 227 1 Cars]

Just take ps pump off old engine and strap it on to new! It's only a few bolts!

[lapr 4 2 Cars]

Thats handy then, someone else had said to me it'd be fairly simple to do.

Tried to add a few pics but it wont let me for some reason????

Thanks for the info tho everyone, very helpful, I need as much as I can get I think!!!

[lapr 4 2 Cars]

Spoke to the fella I bought the phase 1.5 off earlier, asked him what exactly the engine had had done to it....

Its supposidly a "stage 3 gas flowed engine". Built in 2008 its only managed to do around 7k miles so should still be pretty fresh.... Hopefully anyway!

Having had a full re-build, gas flowed head, cat cam, FSE boost valve, polished crank, 4 branch manifold and supersprint exhaust (may of missed something..), the company that carried the work out where adament it would be running between 150/160bhp, untill its done and on a rolling road I shall not know true power! Would be pretty upset if it had of been me that spent £3800 on a car/engine and its not what its supposed to be!!

Any way, it had spent most of its life sat on the drive under a cover as he could not afford the insurance, but still ran it up every now and again. It got put back on the road early 2011, he driv it around up untill August 2012, then it met the lamp post, road sign and verge! All thanks to a freshly re-surfaced road, bit of rain and a moblie phone! It now sits pride of place in my back garden, looking sorry for its self and awaiting its new home!

Is a shame it cant be repaired really, a low milage, lazer green 1.9, made a nice car!!

[Baz 421]

Sounds a bit like it could be a LoFlow heads job?

[lapr 4 2 Cars]

What do you mean, the company?

[welshpug 1,626]

I was thinking that too.

[Miles 331 1 Cars]

No way I'm afraid it would make that, Even the Skip Brown conversions listed at 150 rarely made that figure, it's the std ECU and AFM that cannot cope with the upgrades, Ditch them and it will open up allot which is why I said stay on Motronic as it stands a better chance of running right

[Baz 421]

The SBC ones would be closer than 'that' company, that's for sure, but were still nowhere near...

[Miles 331 1 Cars]

I'm trying to recall now but the Road Saloon engine's where 170ish on std manifolds to give you an idea, they had massive head work too along with forged bottom ends