Car Is Possessed And Wants To Kill Me...

[N3VRAM 12 1 Cars]

I have a dream. That dream is to one day go a whole month without something on my car breaking

 

I don't know whats happened this time but my car seems to randomly want to throw me off the road every now and then - steering me in the wrong direction.

 

I've recently put a less worn steering rack on with brand new rods and rod ends, theres new track control arms on both sides, nothing feels lose under the car.. the only thing i can see under there is that the driveshaft is knackered (split cv boot, and the bearing is knackered).

 

Has anyone else had this problem? I'd love to know what i've gotta waste another evening or two of my time on.. again.

 

Thanks for your suggestions.

 

Matt

[welshpug 1,682]

is it an MA box?

[Paul_13 212 1 Cars]

Is the rear beam sound?

 

Did you have your tracking done?

Is the rack centred?

 

Wheel hub nuts tights?

[johnnyboy666 195 1 Cars]

sort the driveshaft out would be number one on the list

perhaps check that there no calipers binding?

check all the tyres are correct pressure (sounds obvious but many people miss the obvious things)

[EdCherry 34 1 Cars]

is it an MA box?

 

What makes you ask this?

[welshpug 1,682]

as the rest of the suspension is good, it could be the diff/bearings, saw a 205 RG that would pull all over the place, box promptly lost drive when it rolled into the workshop

[flipperthebushkangaroo 2]

Mine did that before i took it off the road, failed its MOT on a worn wishbone bush. Might be worth a look.

Two shiney new ones to fit on rebuild!!

[Alan77 78 1 Cars]

sounds like knackered wishbone bushes to me... Does it happen at a certain speed / revs / on and off the accelerator?

[Paul_13 212 1 Cars]

Did you take those first line wishbones off?

[allye 530 3 Cars]

sounds like knackered wishbone bushes

 

Its a fairly standard Rallye so TCA no wishbones. As others have asked, can you elaborate on when it happen? Under load, braking, mid corner etc etc.

[BERTMAN 40 1 Cars]

still, worn arb or wishbones bushes on the base model tcas could cause these problems

Edited September 11, 2012 by BERTMAN

[S@m 156]

Sounds a bit like worn 'wishbone/tca' bushes or a possible ovalled/not properly tightened hub. Because they make a car feel like its out to kill you! Lurching on turn in mainly.

 

Sam

[N3VRAM 12 1 Cars]

Did you take those first line wishbones off?

 

Yes i changed the n/s one after it failed the MOT a few weeks ago... also i think the problem might just be the tracking - it was out a little bit but i changed the offside tca for a new one at the weekend which could have upset it more i suppose.

 

Im going to get a new driveshaft and get the tracking sorted properly this weekend, fingers crossed its only the tracking. If its not i'll post back. Thanks for the suggestions.

[adam1973 1 1 Cars]

I've got this problem too in my 1.4 GR, recently had both the front suspension arms & o/s drive shaft replaced. Since I got it back with a nice MOT pass, it clunks slightly when I change gear & veers left or right when pulling away too. All looks well when I look underneath also. It never clunked before I had the items replaced either. Another thing I have noticed is the rear axle will squeak when going over bumps etc.

 

I would just love to have things as they should be and have great handling too, well as well as a 1.4 GR should lol. Oh, it's only done 91,500 miles too, genuine.... Just needs a wee bit of tlc.

[Anton green 12 1 Cars]

I have a dream. That dream is to one day go a whole month without something on my car breaking

 

I don't know whats happened this time but my car seems to randomly want to throw me off the road every now and then - steering me in the wrong direction.

 

I've recently put a less worn steering rack on with brand new rods and rod ends, theres new track control arms on both sides, nothing feels lose under the car.. the only thing i can see under there is that the driveshaft is knackered (split cv boot, and the bearing is knackered).

 

Has anyone else had this problem? I'd love to know what i've gotta waste another evening or two of my time on.. again.

 

Thanks for your suggestions.

 

Matt

 

I had an issue with mine pulling to one side under load, it would happen when accelerating up through the box. The cause was an ovalled balljoint hole in the lower face of the hub carrier. It only had to do it a couple of times to make me know it wanted fixing asap! It's all nice and shiny again now. So that is one possible cause, I have seen a you tube clip of a 205 base model where the rear beam was in dire need of attention and would attempt to spin the car under braking (being a you tube clip however the driver was enjoying himself by making the most of his new found 'driftmobile'). Hope this is of some help to you. T

[adam1973 1 1 Cars]

So could it be that I need a new hub carrier then, as the ball joint hole has become oval-ised due to worn ball joint about ready to fall out of the suspension arm before it got replaced??

[Anton green 12 1 Cars]

Could be. Obviously a difficult thing to diagnose from here, but the symptoms(?) sound similar to mine and this is what fixed mine. If the balljoint hole is badly worn you will be able to see the ovalling which once was round. & if you look and this does indeed appear to be your prob and you are having difficulty sourcing a 205 hub carrier, apparently a variant of the 306 has hubs which will fit (or so I read on this forum -use the search box if you find 306 hubs are required).

 

Best of luck finding the wobbly bit which is screwing up the handling..

 

edit: The wishbone bushes fail much more frequently than the hub ovalling out, which causes similar issues, only in my experience less pronounced. FYI the bushes in wishbones of pattern parts fail. Get some Peugeot bushes pressed in to them if you are using pattern part wishbones with bushes in, or just bite the bullet and buy Pug 'bones. I currently have Pattern 'bones with poly bushes pressed in which is doing the job extremely well -if it does lose a little of the feel of the road.

Edited September 25, 2012 by Anton green

[Paul_13 212 1 Cars]

306 hubs give positive camber though

[adam1973 1 1 Cars]

The suspension arms are brand new, as to what brand (ie gsf etc) I don't know... what I do know is that they were cheap (had both replaced as had a new drive shaft replaced on o/s, was n/s that had failed)

[Anton green 12 1 Cars]

If it isn't the hub carriers or play around the rear beam could you aid a diagnosis by saying when it seems to happen most -ie, does it occur from a standing start just after you have come off the brake pedal?

[adam1973 1 1 Cars]

Happens when pulling away from standstill, when driving on roads that have had repair ie trenches etc, on undulating road (not perfectly flat), when going round a right hand bend (car leaning on the left), but not when going round a left hand bend (car leaning to right). Was the left hand suspension arm that needed to be replaced as ball joint was about to fall out of the arm. Was very worn. Right hand arm was only replaced due to price of arm & fact that I had to have a new drive shaft replaced.

 

Wish that there was a good Peugeot specialist around here that's cheap/garage who won't look down nose at fact that it's a 20 year old non-GTI 1.4 205....

[adam1973 1 1 Cars]

Also, which hole has a tendency to oval? the one where the pinch bolt goes through where the ball joint will attach?

[welshpug 1,682]

Check the arb bushes if its a 1.4, as it uses track control arms not wishbones and relies on the arb for fore and aft location.

 

The balljoint hole in the hub is another place that causes issues, as does using the wrong bolt or over tightening.

[adam1973 1 1 Cars]

Well the new suspension arms came with new bushes in them, so they're ok. I'll have a look at the ones securing it to the chassis/subframe. From what I can figure, he just unbolted the old arms and refitted the new ones, and then re-bolted it all together with any & all bolts that secured things in the first place etc...

 

Incidentally, I have read a few posts/threads on here about the "GTI"-esq wishbone/subframe set conversion.... Is it a worthwhile change over? or should I just stick to what's there & have polly bushes fitted all round?

[N3VRAM 12 1 Cars]

surley to get the wishbone set-up you'd have to change the whole subframe... and try to make up a bottom engine mount in the process?

 

Well my tracking was slightly out which made things seem worse. My cars leaning to the left a bit still when i take both hands off the wheel, but both garages i took the car to seemed pretty puzzled as everything on the steering/suspension side of things is either new or reconditioned under there. One guy suggested i get the chasis checked out because of a dent in the floorpan - but this has been there since i bought the car and it run straight and true then so i think he was just trying to come up with something. One thing i did want to ask is could the ARB bushes effect this? as i get alot of clunking when conering hard and im pretty sure thats whats causing the noise.