Haltec Sprint 500?

[peter 20]

Loooking at buying one of these has anyone had any experience with them?

 

Are they able to handle variale cam timming, indevidual coils per cylinder, and 6 cylinders?

 

Ive had a look at there website and its very vauge!

[welshpug 1,623]

I do believe PeterT and Magic have used them, dont know of many others but that's not particularly surprising given they are an Australian manufacturer.

 

 

Looks like it will do sequential COP but only up to 4 cylinder, it would have to do wasted spark for 6 cylinders, and it does have two programmable outputs so these I think could be used to control VVT if required.

 

Probably best speaking to them or a supplier directly.

 

http://www2.haltech.com.au/index.php?optio...0&Itemid=88

 

Engine Suitability:

• 1 to 8 Cylinder engines

• Normally Aspirated or forced induction

• Load sensing by throttle position or manifold pressure (MAP)

• Sequential, semi-sequential, batch or multi-point injection patterns

• Distributor ignition systems or multi-coil systems

 

Features:

 

• Windows 2000, XP, Vista compatible software

• Real time programming, instant hesitation free adjustment while engine is running

• Fully user definable 16 x 16 mapping

• Tuning via Volumetric Efficiency (VE), Injection time

• Selectable onboard internal MAP sensor rated to 150kPa (up to 1.5 Bar or 22psi boost)

• USB and CAN Communication Port

• Custom sensor calibaration allows for most factory sensors to be used

 

• 2 x User programmable outputs

 

ECU Fixed Outputs:

 

• 4 x Fuel Injector outputs (for high impedance injectors only (ie: above 8Ω)

• 4 x Ignition outputs

• Tacho

• Thermo Fan

• Fuel Pump

 

ECU Programmable Outputs:

 

• 2 x Programmable Outputs

 

ECU Inputs:

 

• Air Temperature

• Aux Rev Limiter

• Coolant Temperature

• Manifold Absoloute Pressure

• Roadspeed

• Throttle Position

• O2 Sensor (Narrowband or Wideband)

Edited November 22, 2010 by welshpug

[peter 20]

Ive emailed them and will give them a call tomorrow.

 

However 16x16 seems quite a small amount of plot points, Im not sure if ive got this right but that would mean if the engine revs to 8 it would only change the settings every 500rpm? im no expert but that sounds a bit crude!

[James_m 0]

But whats the advantage over the established DTA, Emerald, Omex etc?

[peter 20]

Ive just seen a haltec thats brand new for 500ono so the price!

 

Im just wondering if it will do what a dta 60 will!

[welshpug 1,623]

By the looks of it yes, but as with the Haltech unit only by wasted spark and semi sequential injection.

[peter 20]

It looks like the same as the omex 600 (£600) Emerald (£650?) the Dta s60 (£800) all of witch run wasted spark for a 6 cylinder.

 

The dta s80 will run up to 8 cylinders fully sequential but the're £850+.

 

Then theres a motec M4 going for £850 but that only has the features of the cheaper ecus!

 

What are the advantages of fully sequential?

 

Would wasted spark/semi sequential be sufficient?

 

I dont want to buy one then realise it doesnt have all the features i need!

 

I should really have listed this post as what after market ecu should i choose!

 

 

Thanks!

Edited November 22, 2010 by peter

[Henry Yorke 269 3 Cars]

Before you buy any ECU, I would consider where you are going to get it mapped. A Haltech is worthless if your nearest specialist is in Australia!

[peter 20]

Yes your quite right, but there are people that are good at mapping them in this country!

 

But the real question is do i need fully sequential? and what are the benifits?

 

I know for deffinate that the dta ones can control bmw vanos, but i may want anti lag aswel in the future.

[sideways danny 0]

I've looked at Haltech a LOT in the last few months. I'd sell it if they gave any kind of support to UK dealers. Sadly they dont care if you're not in australia or the US which is a real shame as the software is streets ahead of most of it's near competitors. Remember if you import it they will give you NO warranty

 

I dont think the 500 is what you want though, If anything the 1000 would be better suited, and that's a fair price jump

Also, they all run external coil drivers, so that's an aditional cost to bear in mind

 

It looks like the same as the omex 600 (£600) Emerald (£650?) the Dta s60 (£800) all of witch run wasted spark for a 6 cylinder.

 

 

the omex 600 will only run wasted spark for 4 cylinder. For 6 cylinders you would need the 710 which is £845+vat. Emerald....eeergh. DTA s60 is capable enough, their pre-made looms are a lot of money though.

 

I use/sell Canems ECUs. do you need 2 VVT outputs or one?

[peter 20]

Thank you very much for your in depth reply!

 

That has pretty much confirmed what i was thinking.

 

It is for a turbocharged single vanos e36 m3 engine so i only really need one vvt output wich i know the dta 60 and 80 will do. As for there pre made looms i wouldnt have thought they would do one for this setup anyway so will be making that myself.

 

To be honest ive never heard of Canems i will look into those tomorrow.

 

I think so far anyway, the best option would be to go for the Dta s80 and find someone capable of mapping it well.

 

Ill look into to Canems though!

 

edit: Just had a quick look at Canems and they are very very cheap! but only run wasted spark and semi seqential for 6yl (well for the 5mins ive searched will look more into it tomorrow)

Edited November 23, 2010 by peter

[sideways danny 0]

Well this is my site with some details of canems

http://www.519automotive.co.uk/tuning-upgr...gine-management

 

Worth taking a look at I think

[Sandy 189]

No1 issue with ECUs, who's going to set it up and what do they prefer, that will make the biggest difference of all. No2 what will it be worth for resale and who else can set it up if for any reason you don't want to go back to the original place.

 

I'm faced almost daily with poorly mapped aftemarket ECUs and half the time the customers are unaware how good it should/could be! There's no minimum standard and lots of people doing a rough-middling job of it and charging the same money or often more than the best people. Choose carefully.

[petert 554]

Also, they all run external coil drivers, so that's an aditional cost to bear in mind

 

You can run LS1/LS2 coils direct however. The 500 is a bargain for 4cyl track cars. Steps every 500 rpm is more than adequate for most applications, as is 16 bars per range.

 

An M4 is a far superior ECU. They're full sequential on both fuel and ignition. No wasted spark or batch options.

[sideways danny 0]

No1 issue with ECUs, who's going to set it up and what do they prefer, that will make the biggest difference of all. No2 what will it be worth for resale and who else can set it up if for any reason you don't want to go back to the original place.

 

I'm faced almost daily with poorly mapped aftemarket ECUs and half the time the customers are unaware how good it should/could be! There's no minimum standard and lots of people doing a rough-middling job of it and charging the same money or often more than the best people. Choose carefully.

 

 

agree with that. No mapper/calibration engineer or whatevery you want to call it can get the best from a system they dont get on with. Also see a lot of very badly setup ECUs, so much so the people responsible push standard ecus as far more capable than they are because they dont have the knowledge to setup the basics in a standalone system. I saw a 172 cup a while ago with MSPB set at 72 (on an omex 600). No fuel mapping resloution at all (for reference, around 40-50 is what's normal for that vehicle)

[sideways danny 0]

You can run LS1/LS2 coils direct however. The 500 is a bargain for 4cyl track cars. Steps every 500 rpm is more than adequate for most applications, as is 16 bars per range.

 

Yes there's always options for coils with drivers built in. The polo 1.4 16v is the obvious donor for a 4cyl wasted spark application.

 

I'd love to be able to work with Haltech tbh, but its way to big a risk to have no support, and no warranty. I'm not sure why they aren't interested in the UK really