Xsara Vts Rack Vs Gti6 Rack

[swordfish210 20]

Hi guys, do any of you know if there is any difference in the amount of turns lock to lock between the GTI6 steering rack and the Xsara VTS rack. If there is, has anyone ever fitted a VTS rack to a 306? Thanks. Mark

[Cameron 16]

Yeah, there's about half a turn of difference. VTS is 2.5 turns and GTi6 is 3 and a bit.

[Paul_13 212 1 Cars]

Phase 1 VTS was 2.2 I thought. Sarty I think covered this recently or it's in Justin's thread..

 

If you get a VTS rack, source yourself a 205 square drive PAS lower column link and it will be a straight fit into a 205!

 

They do exist just really hard to find. Justin got his from my mates STDT 205 L reg

Edited April 28, 2010 by Paul_13

[j_turnell 134 3 Cars]

If you get a VTS rack, source yourself a 205 square drive PAS lower column link and it will be a straight fit.

 

You actually done that, as there was an ongoing topic about xsara rack fitment but there was no clear answer to whether that worked or not...

[Anthony 1,000]

Rememeber that a GTi-6 rack is lock-limited due to the 6 speed box (hence the pathetic turning circle turning right) - as far as I'm aware, the GTi-6 rack is no quicker than a standard 306 rack, but is less turns lock to lock because of the reduced lock (if that makes sense)

[Paul_13 212 1 Cars]

You actually done that, as there was an ongoing topic about xsara rack fitment but there was no clear answer to whether that worked or not...

 

All praise the gti found a square drive PAS link in his gaffe and it was a straight fit after I mention to him about it.

 

So yes it fits.

 

Does that make me pitcrew

[Cameron 16]

Anthony, does that lock limit come from the rack, ram or both?

Edited April 28, 2010 by Cameron

[Anthony 1,000]

Anthony, does that lock limit come from the rack, ram or both?

I've been told it's the ram (and the ram is a different part number to other 306's) but I've never verified for myself I'm afraid.

[Cameron 16]

Ok, well in that case the GTi6 rack will be less than the 3.4 or so turns I measured, as I did it without the ram. Steering rate will be the the same though!

[swordfish210 20]

Hmm, interesting. It's for a race car that i work on. It currently has a GTI6 rack (as far as i'm aware) but after having a ride in it at the weekend i can't help but feel it would really benefit from a shorter rack as he's having to work the wheel like he's driving a truck while cornering.

[Cameron 16]

Sounds about right.. has it got PAS?

[swordfish210 20]

Sounds about right.. has it got PAS?

 

Used to, not any more.

[Cameron 16]

Steering is going to be pretty heavy then!

[James_m 0]

So if the 306 racks are 3.x turns that would suggest they are the same as the normal 205 PAS racks anyway and not an upgrade

[swordfish210 20]

Steering is going to be pretty heavy then!

 

It's not bad really, it's just the amount of movement on the wheel required to get the car through the bends is huge. Also if the back steps out (as it can do because it's on quite a neutral setup slightly on the side of oversteer) it takes longer to catch it due to the amount of wheel movement.

[All Praise The GTI 3]

as paul said i found a square drive rack in the garden

and fitted the uj straight onto the xsara rack and its now on the car. no mods although i did cut down the track control arms to give more tracking adjustment as i wasnt sure how to change them when i did it

[swordfish210 20]

It would be going on a 306 anyway, not a 205. Sorry i thought i mentioned that in the OP

[Matt Holley 11]

It would be going on a 306 anyway, not a 205. Sorry i thought i mentioned that in the OP

 

You did, a few times

 

When he put a vid up from the llandow test years ago someone mentioned then that it would benifit from a differant rack and I think he said it wasn't allowed, could be wrong though.

[swordfish210 20]

When he put a vid up from the llandow test years ago someone mentioned then that it would benifit from a differant rack and I think he said it wasn't allowed, could be wrong though.

 

Well, rules are made to be broken

[swordfish210 20]

I just checked the regs and it states that the casing must be original but the internals are free.

[Matt Holley 11]

I just checked the regs and it states that the casing must be original but the internals are free.

 

Sounds like a win then.