Hub Carrier Ovalled

[jimistdt 1]

Are you sitting comfortably? Then we'll begin.....

 

Part 1

 

 

My 205 has recently developed a knocking noise, I first noticed it last week as I was driving without a stereo as my Alternator belt had snapped.

 

My first instinct was the driveshafts, but upon inspection this morning I have found the Hub Carrier to have excessive play in it.

 

This is on the side where I have a damaged strut top (See seperate post) and I think this problem has been feeding itself. I have new tyres and wishbones on both sides, but now I am getting the knocking as well as having to keep the wheel slightly to the right to drive straight.

 

I have read a shedload of posts this morning, amongst them all I found this info for removing the hub carrier; Is it correct, anything missing etc?

 

If your removing a hub, then you'll want to undo the shaft nut first.

 

Undo caliper/carrier and tie it up using cable ties or something, so its out of the way and not pulling on the brakeline.

 

Then undo, track rod end and split the hub from the bottom balljoint. Otherwise if you leave till the last, then the hub will flop around and probably pull your shaft out, pouring gearbox oil everywhere.

 

The last bit is to remove the hub from the shock, using a sump plug key inbetween the clamp (where the bolt is) twist it about 90 degrees so it stays in. This opens the clamp making it a bit easier to remove. At this point I usually get the lumpy out, and smack it till it pops off. Try and prejudge when its about to fall off though, as they are quite heavy.

 

 

Part 2

 

My driveshafts don't have an noticeable play in them, although the knocking noise is DIRECTLY related to the speed of the wheels, I am getting a very distinct and solid 'Duff' noise on every rotation of the wheel. Could the ovalled hub have dislodged the driveshaft slightly?

 

 

Where can I get a new hub carrier without paying the earth? I had a look on GSF's site, but cannot see them listed?

 

 

 

Thanks in advance, if there is anything I have missed out just post, as usual my mind works faster than my fingers, and I miss stuff out sometimes...

 

 

I have been trying to upload a video of the noise, but my technological prowress won't allow me

[Rupertfinch 6]

The method you've posted sounds about right. I, however am firmly in the camp of 'pull the drive shaft out of the gearbox without noticing. What's that trickling sound? Why do I smell cat's piss?'

 

Be sure that you really do get the hub nut loosened before you do much. I managed to keep the driveshaft connected to the hub - it took a skillful bit of welding to remove the shaft! Hence GSF didn't refund my surcharge!

 

In all things the might of a BFH will come in handy!

[Rob Thomson 6]

Removal method sounds good to me. You'll need a 30/35mm socket for the hub-nut, and either a long bar or a impact gun to drive it. You'll need a splitter for the track rod end, and getting wishbone balljoint out of the hub-carrier can be a complete bastard but perseverence usually pays off. Also, it's easier if you remove the disc as well as the caliper and pads.

 

Where does the hub-carrier have excessive play? It could be the balljoint that's failed rather than the hole it goes into? Are you sure the play's not in the wheel bearing?

 

I'm sceptical that this is causing your noise because I can't see a noise that changes with speed being due to a damaged balljoint or hub-carrier. You'll get knocks when going over potholes etc, but not just driving along... Wheel bearing or driveshaft sounds much more likely.

[tagy 1]

You'll get knocks when going over potholes etc, but not just driving along... Wheel bearing or driveshaft sounds much more likely.

 

Agree with this.

 

Also one thing to try is jack the wheel off the ground and spin the wheel with your hands and see if you can hear where the noise is coming from.

Edited February 16, 2009 by tagy

[welshpug 1,682]

I'd start by checking that the hub nut is up to torque and that there isn't any play in the bearing, if there is the disc would rub on the pads as the hub moves around, may cause the noise you are getting.

 

Unless its bvious that there is play in the balljoint or balljoint to hub clamp.

[jimistdt 1]

I jacked the car up this morning and put it on stands, the N/S wheel has play at 3o'clock and 9o'clock, but none at 6 and 12, from under the car the hub is moving just where the wishbone pin goes into it...as i spin the wheel its not as smooth as I remeber it being, also my fuel consumption has gone out of the window, something like 15-20% down on normal.

 

Does this change anything?

[welshpug 1,682]

could be the whole lot needing replacement, wont know until you have it apart, and if the hub carrier is damaged where the balljoint pin clamp is you may as well fit a new bearing while you have it off.

 

Not unknown for bush or joint issues to knock out a bearing or vice versa.

[jimistdt 1]

Thanks for all the answer everybody, I'm going to have a go at stripping it down now.

[jimistdt 1]

The noise has gone , mended itself it seems. I hardly touched it.

 

Pissed about with the hub nut, couldn't get it off, I need a steel wheel. I undid the clamp on the wishbone clamp and tightened it back up, cleaned some crud off the edge of the discs and that was it.

 

I just been on a 40 mile run and it didn't make a peep, steering was straight no problems at all.

 

I don't think I've cured anything at all, unless I've got magical healing powers, I can only presume I've disturbed something and temporarily reseated it to its rightful place!?

 

I'm going to get a hub carrier. Question; This is the same as a Base model on the STDT, is it not? Unless I gat a pair of 1.6 one, though that may alter the off-set, am I right?

 

While I'm at it the wheel bearings will be done.

 

I'll have to see if the knocking rears its ugly head again?

 

Hmm...

[pug_ham 245 3 Cars]

When I was running my STDT a few years ago I had a similar knocking that turned out all I needed to do was replace the balljoint bolt which cured it.

 

Ovalled hub holes is usually shown by the car self adjusting to a tigher lock in corners.

 

A new hub is pretty much a Peugeot only part & pricey at that (approx £100 + vat a side minus any drive flange or bearing).

 

Your STDT has base model hubs (any non GTI) so they are the best to find for a replacement because there are more of them around but if you get a pair then some 1.6 GTi ones would be fine except then you'd need new discs to match up as well.

 

What side do you need as I'm sure I have one that was fine but needs a new wheel bearing (offside iirc but I might have more).

 

Graham.

[jimistdt 1]

A new hub is pretty much a Peugeot only part & pricey at that (approx £100 + vat a side minus any drive flange or bearing).

 

Shudder

 

What side do you need as I'm sure I have one that was fine but needs a new wheel bearing (offside iirc but I might have more).

 

N/S was making all the noise...Would you let me know, G, if you've got one? Failing that I'll post an Ad in wanted.

 

 

 

I'll see how I get on today with it...

 

PS Graham, have you got a centreless steel wheel knocking around?

[pug_ham 245 3 Cars]

N/S was making all the noise...Would you let me know, G, if you've got one? Failing that I'll post an Ad in wanted.

Think I've got one but I'll have to look for it & iirc it will need a new bearing.

 

PS Graham, have you got a centreless steel wheel knocking around?

Yes, I can (try) to bring one to your work tomorrow if you want.

 

Graham.

[illuzion 0]

The noise has gone , mended itself it seems. I hardly touched it.

 

Pissed about with the hub nut, couldn't get it off, I need a steel wheel. I undid the clamp on the wishbone clamp and tightened it back up, cleaned some crud off the edge of the discs and that was it.

 

I just been on a 40 mile run and it didn't make a peep, steering was straight no problems at all.

 

I don't think I've cured anything at all, unless I've got magical healing powers, I can only presume I've disturbed something and temporarily reseated it to its rightful place!?

 

I'm going to get a hub carrier. Question; This is the same as a Base model on the STDT, is it not? Unless I gat a pair of 1.6 one, though that may alter the off-set, am I right?

 

While I'm at it the wheel bearings will be done.

 

I'll have to see if the knocking rears its ugly head again?

 

Hmm...

 

i recently replaced the o/s driveshaft with a recon one and i had the same problems. after much frustration/time/banging head against wall i discovered that the length of the shaft splines that go into the hub carrier were about 2-3mm longer than the splines on a genuine Peugeot (GKN) driveshaft. Fitted the genuine shaft and the problems were gone straight away, no more looseness in hub.

 

it is of course entirely possible that this isnt the same problem you are having but i thought i would let people know that (as it seems to be with a lot of pattern parts or recon parts) there are some badly put together recon shafts going around.

[jimistdt 1]

Eventually got this sorted today with plenty of help from Pugtorque

 

I'd picked up some 1.6 bits from Trailster a bit back and I eventually got round to getting them on today.

 

A productive couple of hours, including a trip down to a local garage for the use of his impact driver and blowtorch to get the hub-nuts off the 1.6 shafts, saw the STDT with new (to me, and not ovalled!) hubs and struts and disc. We also levelled out the strut plate where it had domed a bit, and am now waiting for some 3mm strengthening plates to on.

 

The car is now sitting about 20mm lower on the front, looks perfect to me but unfortunately the rear is sat at the old height awaiting a beam referb and swap. Thats me next job

 

The improvement is immense, I won't go on and on, but when you've been driving a car that starts with a small problem that manifest and then you get it right again...fcuk me, its good.

 

Again, big shout to Graham, top lad.

Edited April 14, 2009 by jimistdt

[jimistdt 1]

Buffalo Stance.....

 

 

 

 

Hence why I need to get my beam rebuilt

[pug_ham 245 3 Cars]

Front looks just about right for an everyday drive Jimi, imagine how high the back would sit without all the stuff in the boot.

 

Beam rebuild post eurtrip & MOT.

 

Graham.

[pug_ham 245 3 Cars]

I saw Jimi last night heading in the opposite direction but his car was instantly noticable due to it being

• A; A 205 with GTi trim.
   
  
• B; looking like a dragster.
  

 

We talked for a while & agreed it need lowering a bit at the back but with a full beam refurb planned it shuld look spot on soon enough but he also said what a difference to the whole drive of the car the GTi springs & a non-ovalled front hub have made.

 

Graham.