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bensonmi

Road Rallying!

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bensonmi
yer my mate has a mk 1 Escort, mint! But then again he can drive.

as you say tho,slow and steady wins the race!! im not that bad touch wood,out of my 34 car history only smashed twice haha! ;)

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Craigb
thats the way im thinkin right now!! is there such thing as havin a car too nice to use??

No there isn't , but you may drive slower .

 

Just get the first thing that moves , find someone to point you in the right direction and enjoy it.

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bensonmi
No there isn't , but you may drive slower .

 

Just get the first thing that moves , find someone to point you in the right direction and enjoy it.

any 1 know what the mi will be like traction wise? its on the 1.9 box cos surely the pwers higher up similar to the 1600s, not like the low down 1900 grunt!

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I might be talking c**p but didn't think you were allowed 16v cars in road rallying?

 

Haven't done any for a couple of years but seem to remember I could only use an Mi16 on 12cars rather than road rallies.

 

As has been said before there isn't a lot to do in order to get out there, have a go and see if you enjoy it. Do a few events, change a few components between and if after a while it's what you want to do, then get on and prep a car properly.

 

We've won events in the past in std road cars, as said it's all about the navigation.

 

Good luck but as Slippy say's you'll end up wanting to go staging and then it will take over your life and you're financially fu**ed!

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Craigb
I might be talking c**p but didn't think you were allowed 16v cars in road rallying?

 

 

 

Good luck but as Slippy say's you'll end up wanting to go staging and then it will take over your life and you're financially fu**ed!

 

The rules changed a couple of years ago James . typically just after I'd spent my money on getting the 8V to a reasonable road rally spec.

 

You're dead right about the stages though !!!

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The rules changed a couple of years ago James . typically just after I'd spent my money on getting the 8V to a reasonable road rally spec.

 

You're dead right about the stages though !!!

 

Why does tha not surprise me! No doubt some bright spark at the msa decided it was a sensible idea to change the rules - just like they did to us with the rally car after we got a turbo lump sorted, only for them to then ban non oe turbo cars doh!

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I might be talking c**p but didn't think you were allowed 16v cars in road rallying?

 

Haven't done any for a couple of years but seem to remember I could only use an Mi16 on 12cars rather than road rallies.

 

As has been said before there isn't a lot to do in order to get out there, have a go and see if you enjoy it. Do a few events, change a few components between and if after a while it's what you want to do, then get on and prep a car properly.

 

We've won events in the past in std road cars, as said it's all about the navigation.

 

Good luck but as Slippy say's you'll end up wanting to go staging and then it will take over your life and you're financially fu**ed!

 

id be gutted if you culdnt use a 16v!whats this 12 cars malarky?

my thinkin of the moment is,iv got a car,i got a cage,put em together and give it a go,from there i can c if i like it, ifthe mi's suitable,if not sell it and c what suits me best! after some more comfortable buckets aswel as as guards now. oh, i dont need a special lscence for it do i??

cheers for every1s coments,great help!

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philfingers

yes you need a non race national b licence from the msa.

you can now fit any 16v engine from any car so long as it uses the original inlet manifold and plenum fitted to the engine as std.

The idea behind it was to allow more powerful but quieter engines. Which doesn't explain why they banned turbos, including diesels- go figure!

I'm in the middle of an Mi install in mine. 160hp std, you would struggle to get that from a 8v without carbs or TBs.

I'd go for a Mi16 CWP in a 1900 box. Forget the std 1900 box, it's no good. 1600 box is ok a cheap/ easy compronmise. Mine will have a 4.8 in it, when I've rebuilt it.

If I were you I'd put a decent box and guards on the Mi you have and use it. As long as it's not dangerously rusty then you've nothing to loose. At leats you know the car

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id be gutted if you culdnt use a 16v!whats this 12 cars malarky?

16v is fine just put one in mine :) . A 12 car is a small road rally that has no more than, yep thats right 12 cars.

Have a look at the events and meet bit we are having a bit of a S wales meet on the 28/12/2008 you are more than welcome.

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16v is fine just put one in mine :) . A 12 car is a small road rally that has no more than, yep thats right 12 cars.

Have a look at the events and meet bit we are having a bit of a S wales meet on the 28/12/2008 you are more than welcome.

 

i would come but the pugs not on the road, feel like a bit of a gimp going there in the corsa vxr!

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sparky

Hello everyone.

 

Im looking at doing the same thing in the new year. Im picking up a 1.9 gti at the weekend. Getting sump and tank guards from Peter Lloyd and then im getting out there as soon as I can.

 

I used to do 12 car events up in the midlands but they seem a bit tame compared to welsh road rallying!

 

Have a look on the Teifi valley mc site. They're not far from you and they have a really good guide to road ralling.

 

Heres the link. http://www.teifivalleymotorclub.co.uk/rally_info.php

 

I don't know if im allowed to post links so mods feel free to remove it if not.

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bensonmi
yes you need a non race national b licence from the msa.

you can now fit any 16v engine from any car so long as it uses the original inlet manifold and plenum fitted to the engine as std.

The idea behind it was to allow more powerful but quieter engines. Which doesn't explain why they banned turbos, including diesels- go figure!

I'm in the middle of an Mi install in mine. 160hp std, you would struggle to get that from a 8v without carbs or TBs.

I'd go for a Mi16 CWP in a 1900 box. Forget the std 1900 box, it's no good. 1600 box is ok a cheap/ easy compronmise. Mine will have a 4.8 in it, when I've rebuilt it.

If I were you I'd put a decent box and guards on the Mi you have and use it. As long as it's not dangerously rusty then you've nothing to loose. At leats you know the car

 

how do i go about getting the liscence and is that expensive?

iv got a 1600 box spare on my other 1 fitting that wont be a problem,iv found some second hand guards close by just tryin to convince my bird she should get me them for xmas!

the 1 i will be using will be my red rust free mi now instead of the black 1 i initially thought id use as it still has the 1.9 beam and the interior still intact.be fitting the cage into it on my time of. i need to raise the front up abit as its very low at the mo but there is not much work needed to get it road worthy and its better as its using the full mi 3 row management,just need to fix the thing thats stopping it running.i think its an imobiliser problem now but got some1 coming to sort it for me once he gets time.cant wait!! :rolleyes:

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bensonmi
Hello everyone.

 

Im looking at doing the same thing in the new year. Im picking up a 1.9 gti at the weekend. Getting sump and tank guards from Peter Lloyd and then im getting out there as soon as I can.

 

I used to do 12 car events up in the midlands but they seem a bit tame compared to welsh road rallying!

 

Have a look on the Teifi valley mc site. They're not far from you and they have a really good guide to road ralling.

 

Heres the link. http://www.teifivalleymotorclub.co.uk/rally_info.php

 

I don't know if im allowed to post links so mods feel free to remove it if not.

hello there! cheers for the link,keep me informed on how you get on doing your car and maybe 1 day il c you out on an event 1 day as your not that far away :rolleyes:

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Slippy

Click HERE mate you need to send off a couple of passport size photo's and a check for £40 ish notes If I remember correctly

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welshpug

hmm, Teifi valley dont like 16v or engines ith more than 4 pots motors :rolleyes:

 

not sure which club runs the Twilight but there were several Astra GTE's there, and a TR4 :wacko:

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hmm, Teifi valley dont like 16v or engines ith more than 4 pots motors :rolleyes:

 

not sure which club runs the Twilight but there were several Astra GTE's there, and a TR4 :wacko:

 

right then i need a liscence to,atlest its easy to get and you dont need to sit another driving test!

the astra gte 16v are pretty quick arnet they?just handle s*it!,but it would be very embarysing gettin done by an oap in a tr4 haha! :lol:

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hmm, Teifi valley dont like 16v or engines ith more than 4 pots motors :unsure:

 

not sure which club runs the Twilight but there were several Astra GTE's there, and a TR4 :lol:

Ecurie Run the twilight and 1/2 the GTE's out have got Teifi valley MC on them :D .

But they may be 8v

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bensonmi
Ecurie Run the twilight and 1/2 the GTE's out have got Teifi valley MC on them :unsure: .

But they may be 8v

are you a member of a club? if so which 1??

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Yer Griffin. I have also been a member of Ecurie and Welsh counties .Havent done an event for 2 years! Baby stopped play. Looking to do some in 09.

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SPGTi
hmm, Teifi valley dont like 16v or engines ith more than 4 pots motors :unsure:

 

If you are saying this due to their website page that specifies technical regulation for road rally cars, then you are wrong.

The rules they are quoting (along with Blue Book refs) are out of date. Events running on road rally permits, eg Teifi Valleys Bro Presli and Cliwendeg rallies, don't have a standard production class, turbos are not allowed, 16vs are allowed (see previous posts for eligiblity requirements) and more than 4 cylinders is still not allowed.

They have a very strong road rally scene but from a quick look at the website, not much has been updated since 2006. I am sure some of their road rally competitors are running 16vs and if it is a local club, a good choice for anyone wanting to start road rallying (8v or 16v).

 

Steve

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bensonmi
If you are saying this due to their website page that specifies technical regulation for road rally cars, then you are wrong.

The rules they are quoting (along with Blue Book refs) are out of date. Events running on road rally permits, eg Teifi Valleys Bro Presli and Cliwendeg rallies, don't have a standard production class, turbos are not allowed, 16vs are allowed (see previous posts for eligiblity requirements) and more than 4 cylinders is still not allowed.

They have a very strong road rally scene but from a quick look at the website, not much has been updated since 2006. I am sure some of their road rally competitors are running 16vs and if it is a local club, a good choice for anyone wanting to start road rallying (8v or 16v).

 

Steve

 

i am joining teifi valley motor club now! in the process of filling in the forms, theres a novice rally in feb ,rally bro preseli,which with any luck id like to enter as its a club only event and no need for a msa liscence so ideal for me to start and to see what else i should do or dont to my car.

the web page,even tho its out of date has a hell of a lot of usefull info i didnt know about,especially about the navigation alot better than other club sites iv looked at!

got the spare mi out the black 1 today to start the ball rolling!

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bensonmi
Some good reading HERE AND HERE

 

jesus christ thats a big read nice 1!! all the info im getting is much appreciated cheers :)

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hmm, Teifi valley dont like 16v or engines ith more than 4 pots motors :blush:

 

not sure which club runs the Twilight but there were several Astra GTE's there, and a TR4 ;)

 

 

If you are saying this due to their website page that specifies technical regulation for road rally cars, then you are wrong.

The rules they are quoting (along with Blue Book refs) are out of date. Events running on road rally permits, eg Teifi Valleys Bro Presli and Cliwendeg rallies, don't have a standard production class, turbos are not allowed, 16vs are allowed (see previous posts for eligiblity requirements) and more than 4 cylinders is still not allowed.

They have a very strong road rally scene but from a quick look at the website, not much has been updated since 2006. I am sure some of their road rally competitors are running 16vs and if it is a local club, a good choice for anyone wanting to start road rallying (8v or 16v).

 

Steve

 

 

Welshpug.........let me inform you that Teifi Valley Motor Club DOES NOT HAVE A PROBLEM with people running 16v engines in cars as long as they comply with the MSA Blue Book (i.e. running on standard injection systems)

This has been the case since the rule was brought in during 2006........in fact, on the Cilwendeg Rally in 2006, the car that was leading the event until an electrical problem put it out of the rally was a MK2 Escort with a Honda S2000 engine fitted in it.

Since then, they've had Escorts with Astra 16v engines in and 205 MI16's on every event that they've run.

As for anything over 4 cylinders or turbo charged......well that is not down to ANY club. That was a rule brought in by the MSA in January 2007, when they banned all Scooby's, Evo's, Sierra 4x4 V6's etc. B)

 

 

SPGTI..............You are spot on :D Teifi Valley's website has'nt been updated much since 2006 for the simple reason that the club's secretery recieved an e-mail from the Police asking on which websites the club's events were promoted. That's the reason the forum section on the website has gone!!!!! The Police and MSA use forum's as evidence, and look for photos showing road signs, white lines / road markings and poeple talking about speed / skiding / drifting etc, so it was easier to pull the forum than to keep checking it !! Another No NO is posting road rally videos on You Tube - cops and the MSA love them as evidence, and every video they find is another nail in the road rally coffin

 

As for a strong road rally scene.............you could say that ;)

 

The club has over 350 members - 220 of them competed in the Club's Road Rally Championship this year. In comparison, only 95 people in the whole of the UK did the Welsh Road Rally Championship!!!!!

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dammit, I need a car now :blush:

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