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JR20516V

Dkz Cam Into Xu10J2-T Motor Problem.......advice?

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JR20516V

Whilst in the process of installing the DKZ cam into my 2 litre turbo CT engine i noticed that there was a part missing from inside....the best way to describe this part would be " camshaft thrust plate" and its job is to stop the cam from moving back and forwards. It is on the front cam cap and would be smaller than a matchbox and i guess 3 or 4 mm thick. It also would have a hole in it too. It would sit into one of the grooves on the actual camshaft when doing its job.

How the car has operated without this part has me beat so i would like to get it as per factory spec before placing motor into the 205.

 

Firstly....would anybody have one of these parts from a stuffed XU10J2T lump? Or can someone tell me the correct name of this part or even better....a part number.

 

Also....did anybody else have a problem when installing this 205 8v cam into the Citroen CT engine???

 

 

Any tips welcome guys !!! :}

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Razkin

The XU10J2TE "locks" the camshaft in place with the first(gearbox side) bearingcap. It has an extra groove which the alloy XU heads don't have, but the camshafts do. No problem needing to be solved.

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welshpug

later 205's dont use that plate, not sure when but my 89 engine doesnt use one.

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JR20516V

The XU10J2TE "locks" the camshaft in place with the first(gearbox side) bearingcap. It has an extra groove which the alloy XU heads don't have, but the camshafts do. No problem needing to be solved.

 

 

Soooo....let me get this right !!! I am looking for a part that doesnt really exist? [i thought it strange not to find this part on a perfectly good working engine ] On the 3 grooves on the camshaft i thought it would need a "locking" device to stop it moving backwards and forwards....not so eh?

On the XU motors i think the part is called a Camshaft thrust bearing..

Any more tips most welcome......

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welshpug

you need to check if you actually need this part or not, my engine doesn't.

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JR20516V

you need to check if you actually need this part or not, my engine doesn't.

 

And what is your engine may i ask:}

cheers

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welshpug

1989 1.9.

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wicked

Are you sure you've a DKZ cam (1.9 8v, 122bhp) and not one from the earlier D6A (1.9 8v 130bhp)

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welshpug

Are you sure you've a DKZ cam (1.9 8v, 122bhp) and not one from the earlier D6A (1.9 8v 130bhp)

 

mine is a 128 bhp D6B :)

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JR20516V

Are you sure you've a DKZ cam (1.9 8v, 122bhp) and not one from the earlier D6A (1.9 8v 130bhp)

 

 

Thanx Guys for your help on this.........yep, it is a good point....maybe i havent been sold a DKZ cam ??? Is there any way i can confirm just by looking at it?? This will be the telling blow me thinks !! :{

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Razkin

Yes, just look at this pic.

8vcamshaftdoc.jpg

 

I was wrong about the extra groove, but the first bearing cap on an XU102J2TE head does lock it in place, just by being as wide as the camshaft is.

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wicked

mine is a 128 bhp D6B :)

 

Indeed the early GTI is D6B iso D6A.

D6A is from the 405/BX

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Daviewonder

Check out the first couple of pages of my progress thread and all will be revealed :)

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JR20516V

Yes, just look at this pic.

8vcamshaftdoc.jpg

 

I was wrong about the extra groove, but the first bearing cap on an XU102J2TE head does lock it in place, just by being as wide as the camshaft is.

Yes, just look at this pic.

8vcamshaftdoc.jpg

 

I was wrong about the extra groove, but the first bearing cap on an XU102J2TE head does lock it in place, just by being as wide as the camshaft is.

 

Great help there Razkin......cheers

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JR20516V

Check out the first couple of pages of my progress thread and all will be revealed :)

 

A very good read there Dave....thanks muchly !!! [ even had a pic of the camshaft buffer which will come in handy when explaining to a Pug dealer ]

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JR20516V

So i managed to obtain the cam thrust bearing [lucky !! ] but i am still bemused at why the XU10J2T lump didnt have one from the beginning??????

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welshpug

because it didn't need one, as per the explanation given in the posts above

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JR20516V

Just an update to this........yes it did need one and it fitted in fine. :}

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Slo

bulls*it as expllained above the cam thrust bearing is integral to the belt end bearing cap so if your cam isnt locked by it it cant be the original cam

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Daviewonder

It's not the original cam.

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JR20516V

Just to update this....... i have had a PM last week from a member on here saying he fitted the thrust bearing to the XU10J2TE lump and recently on start up he had the cam snap and one of the end caps kaput. :{

Anybody else heard of this?

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